And I am sitting here with the 1981 Service Manual (RWD), and it shows three selections for the second character : B = Dodge C = Chrysler P = Plymouth No "A" is listed The 1982 and 1983 editions show "A" for Imperial. The fifth digit shows "Y" for Imperial in all three editions. And this would not be the only time Chrysler has made errors in their service manuals. The 1967 Dodge car service manuals listed incorrect VIN engine codes. I do not have the parts book for 1981. But, as Dick does, and he has owned 1981 Imperial(s), I would have to bow to his experience and knowledge. So all 1981-1983 Imperials have "A" for the second character. Which does makes more sense, Do not know why Chrysler chose "B" for Dodge. I do know that "E" was used for Fargo trucks (export markets) up to 1987 and then for the Eagle. Chrysler Corporation Vehicle Identification Plate for trucks of the mid-1970's through 1987 (driver's door or post) lists Plymouth, Dodge, DeSoto and Fargo trucks. Perhaps "B" was chosen for Dodge to prevent confusion with the DeSoto truck (although I cannot find listing for a Make code for DeSoto). Bill Vancouver, BC ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Benjamin To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 5:41 PM Subject: RE: IML: IML Year ID question My information comes from the parts book for 1981, a copy of which I am looking at as I type. Regarding the second character in the VIN: A is for ImperiAl. C is for Chrysler P is for Plymouth And, B is for? - - - - - - - - - Dodge!?! (Bdodge? Bodge? Blewitagain?) I know Bill Watson is infallible, but something got lost in the translation, I'm afraid. Dick Benjamin -----Original Message----- From: mailing-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mailing-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mark and Theresa Elliott Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 4:27 PM To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: IML: IML Year ID question The information that I got from Bill Watson a few years ago (when I was building the Imperial Registry), said that an 81 is a "C" and 82 and 83s are "A". I haven't verified this independently. If some one can prove me wrong, please do so, so I can get the Imperial Registry and the VIN decoder fixed. Mark Elliott At 12:46 PM 1/16/2005 -0800, you wrote: >From: "Dick Benjamin" <dickb@xxxxxxxxx> >Subject: RE: IML: IML Year ID question >Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:29:29 -0800 >Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >Um... The second character will always be an "A" for an Imperial. Lesser >cars have lower characters (meaning further down the alphabet, of course, >and not implying a difference in moral fiber at all). > >Dick Benjamin ----------------- http://www.imperialclub.com ----------------- This message was sent to you by the Imperial Mailing List. Please reply to mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and your response will be shared with everyone. Private messages (and attachments) for the Administrators should be sent to webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To UN-SUBSCRIBE, go to http://imperialclub.com/unsubscribe.htm