RE: FW: IML: Hayes Bodied Coupes

[RandalPark@xxxxxxx]

From what has been posted so far, it sounds like there were NO Hayes body Imperial coupes, and that this is either a Chrysler New Yorker or a Chrysler Saratoga. There is a question into the seller about the Imperial designation/serial numbers. Hopefully this will be cleared up for the record. I agree with the idea of pasting these pictures in to the OIC Web site. This is an important find, Imperial or not. I hope the car is not parted out or customized.

Paul

In an email dated Fri, 4 3 2005 4:01:56 pm GMT, "mOPAR mIKE and mELISSA" <collyman1@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:

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>Hello Everyone,
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>I just wanted to say that we are really lucky here on this list, to have such people as S. Kahlenberg and B. Watson.
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>They are right on the money as far as the '39 Imp on E-bay right now.nbsp;Right away I saw the triangular shape of the rear side window and knew this wasn't a typical '39 Coupe. They are also correct that the article on the Imperialclub website (the yellow '39) is incorrect and misleading.
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>Attention WEBMONSTERS: is there a way that you could copy and paste Mr. Kahlenberg's and Mr. Watsons e-mails into a reference page on the '39 (by year) page, along with those E-bay pictures of that '39 Hayes bodied coupe ???
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>And if anyone wants to go in with me, on that Hayes bodied Coupe......... Ive got one more space left in my garage........... ornbsp;you can keep it at your place and I'll come visit it andnbsp;you can save all the messy work for me to do.
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>ps ......... I went to Ilwaco, Washington last weekend with Melissa and Jack and we ogled Clint and Laurie's new '65 2 door...... what a GREAT car !!!......... If you guys need an excuse to drive to the Coast and have some GREAT food and talk Imperials..........Clint and Laurie's IMPERIAL SCHOONER Restaurantnbsp;is the place to go !!!........
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>and THANKS to Teresa in Prosser for the "Rick" info........nbsp;YES INDEED, Rick is a one of a kind !!!
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>SORRY I haven't had the time to get back to you and e-mail each of you individually, I'm swamped right now and I'm taking advantage of the summer weather we're having here in Oregon right nownbsp;!!!........WOOHOO !!!
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>Cheers Everyone,
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>Michael Howlett
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>Boring 'ol Oregon.............. lots of cars andnbsp;too many projectsnbsp;
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> ?gt; gt;-----Original Message----- gt;From: Bill Watson [mailto:wwatson5@xxxxxxxxx] gt;Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 4:32 AM gt;To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx gt;Subject: Re: IML: Hayes Bodied Coupes gt; gt; gt; gt;Actually, total production of Imperial Hayes body coupes came to zero.nbsp;nbsp;The gt;Hayes body coupe was offered as Dodge Luxury Liner DeLuxe, DeSoto Custom, gt;Chrysler Royal Windsor, Chrysler New Yorker and Chrysler Saratoga.nbsp;nbsp;If you gt;check any price or model listing from 1939 you will note the Club Coupe is gt;not listed as an Imperial offering, gt; gt;The Imperial Hayes coupe information came from erroneous production data gt;published in the early 1970's.nbsp;nbsp;John Bunnell, then head of the Chrysler gt;Historical Section in the mid-1970's. corrected the error, but it persists gt;to this day. gt; gt;The Hayes body coupe was called a Town Coupe by Dodge and Club Coupe by gt;DeSoto and Chrysler.nbsp;nbsp;The Victoria Coupe was a Chrysler/Briggs production gt;model based on the 2-passenger business coupe with fold away rear seats. gt;An article not long ago showed a yellow 1939 Imperial Victoria Coupe that gt;the author claimed was a Hayes coupe.nbsp;nbsp;That car was indeed a Victoria Coupe, gt;but it was not built by Hayes.nbsp;nbsp;The upper body is totally different on the gt;Hayes with the Hayes having a larger pasenger compartment.nbsp;nbsp;The rear seat in gt;the Hayes coupe was transverse and thus its three passengers faced forward. gt;The split seat cushion could be folded up out of the way. gt; gt;But the the most unique styling element of the Hayes coupe was the thin gt;chromed window frames giving the car an almost hardtop appearance.nbsp;nbsp;The gt;1939-40 Mercury also offered a 5-passenger coupe with similar side window gt;treatment as did the 1939-40 Graham.nbsp;nbsp; I do know that the 1936-37 Graham gt;used bodies built by Hayes, but I am not sure if the 1938-40 "Sharknose" gt;Graham bodies came from Hayes.nbsp;nbsp; The Chrysler Hayes body, though, was gt;strictly a Chrysler Corporation item and was totally different from either gt;the Mercury or Graham coupes. gt; gt;For those of you unfamiliar with the Chrysler/Briggs 2 andnbsp;nbsp;4 passenger gt;coupes, check eBay # 4531992260 - a 1939 Chrysler Royal 2-passenger coupe. gt;And compare it with the "Imperial" Hayes coupe gt; gt;The book "70 Years of Chrysler" also compounds the error by showing the gt;Victoria coupe as a 4-passenger coupe based on the business coupe in the gt;Royal and Royal Windsor series (which is correct) and as a 5-passenger Hayes gt;coupe in the Imperial, New Yorker and Saratoga series (which is incorrect). gt;The book describes the Imperial and New Yorker 5-passenger club coupes as gt;based on the business coupes, again incorrect. gt; gt;Production figures for the Hayes Town/Club Coupe : gt; gt;Dodge Luxury Liner DeLuxe 2-door Town Coupe : 363 gt;DeSoto Custom 2-door Club Coupe : 264 gt;Chrysler Royal Windsor 2-door Club Coupe : 255 gt;Chrysler New Yorker 2-door Club Coupe : 99 gt;Chrysler Saratoga 2-door Club Coupe : 35 gt; gt;That makes a total of 1,016. gt; gt;The car innbsp;nbsp;the eBay auction is definitely a Hayes Coupe,. but it is either gt;a New Yorker or a Saratoga and not an Imperial.nbsp;nbsp; The serial number he gt;displays is actually the body number.nbsp;nbsp;I have wrote to him and asked him to gt;check the passenger side door post for a metal tag which is the true serial gt;number.nbsp;nbsp;The serial number will tell whether the car is a New Yorker or gt;Saratoga. gt; gt;Bill gt;Vancouver, BC gt; gt; gt; gt;----- Original Message ----- gt;From: Bob Smith gt;To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx gt;Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 11:51 AM gt;Subject: IML: Hayes Bodied Coupes gt; gt; gt;The information they gave is slighly incorrect.nbsp;nbsp;For 1939, Hayes Body Corp gt;supplied Chrysler Corporation with anbsp;nbsp;total of 1,000 bodies.nbsp;nbsp;Of those, 35 gt;were the Imperial- -called the "Victoria Coupe" (the former San Fernando gt;Valley Region WPC Club President, Jack Pinsker in North Hollywood restored a gt;yellow one along with some other nifty Chrysler products). gt; gt;Chrysler offered 239 in the Royal and Royal/Windsor line, DeSoto made 264 gt;and the balance of 462 would be assumed to be the Dodge which was named the gt;"Town Coupe."nbsp;nbsp;A couple from Utah who belong to my Registry own one of the gt;Dodges. gt; gt;Hayes bodies were unique in that they were a close-coupled club coupe with gt;rear seats that folded up below the small window.nbsp;nbsp;When down, the passengers gt;faced one another instead of the front. gt;Bob gt; gt;RandalPark@xxxxxxx wrote: gt;There is an extremely rare Hayes Body 1939 Imperial Coupe on Ebay. Check it gt;out, you may never get a chance to see another one. It says that there were gt;1,000 made, but I have NEVER seen one. These were more popular in Mercurys gt;around the same time, and those are super rare aslo. gt; gt;Paul gt; gt; gt;----------------- http://www.imperialclub.com ----------------- gt;This message was sent to you by the Imperial Mailing List. Please gt;reply to mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and your response will be gt;shared with everyone. Private messages (and attachments) for the gt;Administrators should be sent to webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx gt;To UN-SUBSCRIBE, go to http://imperialclub.com/unsubscribe.htm gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt;__________________________________________________ gt;Do You Yahoo!? gt;Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around gt;http://mail.yahoo.com gt; gt; gt; gt;-----------------nbsp;nbsp;http://www.imperialclub.comnbsp;nbsp;----------------- gt;This message was sent to you by the Imperial Mailing List. 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