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Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 1:06 PM
Subject: RE: IML: keeping the original Carter carburetor
The most important factor, to a successful rebuild, is the amount of contaminated fuel the carb has been exposed to. We've rebuilt AFB, AVS, TQs, and HOLLEY'S, that have burned enough fuel to take the average Imperial to the moon, and half way back.The most damaging contamination is water. If you disassemble the carb, and its full of aluminum oxide ( white dust, and goo), then your headed for trouble.The standard varnish deposits can be handled with a good soak, and to clean the small passages,like the venturi cluster dip tubes, we found a welding tip cleaner to work really well.(and a compressed air blow out) Don't forget the fuel that these carbs were calibrated for no is longer common, that requires re-jetting and some fine tuning to get proper performance. We found that an increase of jet size, between 2-5 richer steps works fine.The fact that some have converted to the Edelbrock carb, and have been satisfied, is basicly from richer jetting, not to
mention the electric choke.Ya'll have a nice day, Dave.
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From: "Kristian Oyen" <kandkoyen@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Frank,
>
> I second your conclusions on the subject of keeping the original Carter
> carburetor. I have never had significant problems with Carters on the many
> Imperials I've owned. I even replaced the Holley that came on my '69 with a
> Carter as soon as I bought it in 1972. I taught myself to rebuild my own
> Carters using patience and the detailed instructions, then took the cars to
> my mechanic for final adjusting.
>
> Kristian Oyen
>
> !963 Imperial Crown Southampton 4-door
> 1966 Imperial Crown Sedan
> 1967 Imperial Crown Coupe
>
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> From: mailing-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:mailing-list-owner@imperialcl
ub.com] On Behalf Of Frank Griffin
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 7:37 PM
> To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: IML: The Slow Rebirth of My 1960 Imperial/ Carb
>
>
> Edelbrock makes a good carb but the Carter on my 61 performs just fine. If
> the original carb is swapped out please don't junk it. Its worth it to
> someone to rebuild it. Once the original is gone its gone forever. If you
> don't like rebuilding carbs there are places you can send your original
> that will recondition it with the correct parts and tune it to your engines
> specifications. You simply bolt your original back on and your good to go,
> and its nice when you don't have to change linkage setups to make your carb
> work. I never had any problems with the original carbs.
> Frank
>
> chuck milverton wrote:
>
> Jim, Do yourself a favor and junk
the factory carb - my experience
> is that they are totally unreliable even if you rebuild them. Also , stay
> away from new Holleys - a pain in the keaster. My best result has been with
> Edelbrock after market new.
>
> Chuck
>
> JIM LORENZEN wrote:
>
> Hi everyone -
>
> Thought I'd bring the group up to date on my Imperial's
> transition from barn fixture to living breathing (and God knows gas
> drinking) automobile.
> A week ago Sunday I went out to the "Rust Farm" to bring my
> baby home. Gary was all ready with the tilt bed and I got busy getting it
> running to drive it to position to be loaded. I came armed with a new Group
> 27 battery, coil, new plug and coil wires and various fluids. I rigged a
> new fuel supply system by stealing my lawnmower's 2 gallon gas can, 4 feet
> of rubber fuel line and a new clamp; running the
h ose from the can's place
> between the grille and radiator support to the fuel pump. I pulled the
> plugs, hooked up the battery and ran the starter for about 2 minutes
> sporatically to get the oil flowing in the engine. I then reinstalled the
> plugs, swapped out the coil (the old one was leaking oil out of the tower)
> and plug wires crossed my fingers, gave her a dose of Starting Fluid and
> turned the key. Nothing. We tried it again and on the third attempt - my
> creature came alive! The lifters took a few minutes to quiet down, but
> there was no blue smoke out the pipes. It wasn't long before the auto choke
> kicked down and she settled down to a nice quiet, even idle. Even the
> guages were working. The transmission was a little more reluctant but after
> a while even that got with the program. I then got behind the wheel and
> drove her over to the tilt bed shut her off and loaded her up
a nd we headed
> for Portland with lots of stares and finger pointing along the way. About 45
> minutes later (Gary doesn't mess around behind the wheel - it usually take
> me an hour to make the trip) we pulled into the alley beside my house,
> unloaded her and I started her up and gingerly backed her into the garage.
> I say gingerly as one system that definately did NOT come back to life were
> the brakes. Needless to say the push buttons on the transmission got quite
> a workout.
> Last Thursday, armed with a new master brake cylinder I
> attempted to correct the braking issue. I replaced the master cylinder and
> attempted to bleed the brakes but all in all I pretty much wasted my time.
> The lines are hopelessly clogged and corroded as I pretty much though they
> would be. My next main project is to replace all the lines and wheel
> cylinders when the weather gets a little warmer (I'ts
su pposed to snow
> tonight here).
> On a lark, I decided to see what the engine was up to so I
> reconnected the battery, gave the gas pedal three slow trips to the floor
> turned the key..... and she fired right up - with silent lifters and no
> smoke. The transmission was back to normal too - at least as far as
> response goes. Naturally with no brakes I haven't had the guts to go around
> the block to see how the upshifts are doing, but I'm hopefull.
> Later this week I'll replace all the fluids and drop the gas
> tank which thanks to this group I now know how to drain.
> Just before today's sunset, I gave her a much deserved and
> much needed bath and I must say she cleaned up pretty good.
> At some point in the future I'll send this story along with
> some of the many pictures I taken of this project along to the website, but
> for now, I'm feeling pretty good about the whole th
ing.
> One interesting sidelight out of working on this car again
> is pain, or should I say the lack of it and memory. I have been all over
> and under this car in the past two weeks doing things that when working on
> my other cars and with my arthritic back usually lays me up at least a coupe
> of days. Also I spent a lot of time working on this car when I was in my
> early twenties and a lot of time has passed since then. Interestingly
> enough when working on her this past week, my poor old brain was able to
> recall what size sockets and wrenches went with what bolt and nut. I
> couldn't tell you what I had for breakfast yesterday, but I remembered the
> bolt at the top of the master cylinder cover took a 7/16th box. Now I know
> we tend to make a lot of claims for our cars in this group and I'm not quite
> ready to say that with this Imperial I've found the Fountain of Youth, but
> whe
n I' m working on her I'm thinking better and in much less pain than I
> experience doing simular things on other projects.
> But enough of that. More to come when time, money and
> progress permitts.
>
> Thanks for letting me rattle on
>
> Jim L. in OR
>
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