Re: IML: 69 brakes
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Re: IML: 69 brakes



Nick:
I have not driven mine yet. I will wait until next weekend and take another look over the entire system to make sure everything is fine.
If 0.007" out on one of the rotors causes a problem, then I will try to live with it. I do not want to get my brand new rotors turned.   

----- Original Message -----
From: nicholasadamo@xxxxxxx
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Subject: Re: IML: 69 brakes
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 15:30:07 -0400

Well, thanks Fred!! As you know I have been doing much the same with my 300! I test drove it a week ago, and while the pedal was just a "low" as it ever was, it was firmer feeling. All seemed fine for a while but then I noticed the car pulling to the right on braking. I informed the mechanics of this. During the last week they addressed it by "trueing" the rotors. They say the brakes are much better now. The mechanics are going to drive the car a few more days (been and extensive mechanical restoration engine, trans, brakes, and all the usual stuff replaced to go along with these) and they want to be sure everything is right before I get it back.

Nick

-----Original Message-----
From: Frederick Joslin
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Sent: Mon, 28 May 2007 2:01 pm
Subject: IML: 69 brakes

I have finished the extensive brake job on my 69 LeBaron Coupe this weekend.
I replaced all of the metal lines except the one to the PS front and the two to the master cylinder. I used two 60" lines and a 30" line to the rear axle with two couplings. All expose lines were wrapped with 20 gage galvanized steel line. I thought long and hard about how to do this protective step and this worked great. Wrap on end of the line with a little Duct tape to protect the double flair fitting. Insert that end into a cordless drill and start wrapping the wire from the other end of the tubing. Another piece of duct tape will hold the wire from spinning at the start. With an assistant to control the drill you can get a very nice looking wire wrap with a little care. A real bonus is that if you do this well you do not need to use a tubing bender since the wire wrap will stop any kinking of the tubing. 
The new Durabrake rotors and Calipersonline calipers sure look good. Shame that no one will see them. The rotors were out of true by 0.007" on the DS and 0.003" on the PS. Spec is 0.005"! It is interesting the I can turn the PS hub by hand without the wheel attached, but I cannot turn the DS hub. I checked the rotation of the hubs before the calipers were attached and both were the same and "relatively" easy so it is due to the calipers. Note that this was the case even before the calipers were attached to the brake lines.
There are 25 connections in the brake system now from rear wheel cylinder to front caliper and I have tracked down a couple which were leaking. The brake pedal is very high and very firm. I used a Valvoline brake fluid which claims to exceed DOT 3 and 4 and used just under 1 quart.
I did not and have never "bench bled" a master cylinder. I have always read that you must do this but never have and always have had great brakes.  I just connect everything and bleed away. This time I did use a simple "one man" bleeder which has a small collection bottle with a fitting which sticks into the hole in the bleeder valves. The bottle has a magnet on it so you can attach it to the car. Hook this up and pump away on the brake pedal. The final bleed was with my son pumping and me opening and closing the bleeder valves. 
A trick for actually installing the calipers is to insert a piece of flexible foam rubber between the pads after they have been inserted into the caliper bodies as you get ready to mount the calipers to the steering knuckles. The foam will hold the pads apart so that you can get them over the rotor and then can easily be removed from the top. The calipersonline calipers use two such pieces of foam to hold the pistons in their bores.      

This has been a long and expensive experience, but my car now has brakes which are probably better than they have ever been.    
Fred Joslin


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