Re: IML: 'Floating Power'

["Rob van der Es" <r.vdes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

You have certainly a point here!
It is a lot easier to check the condition of the mount without those heat 
shields.
But since they are called " heat" shields don't you think they suffer more 
from heat then oil spillage?
Maybe it is wise to install some home-made shields when I install my new 
mounts then.
As said before, the mounts do have some pretty severe cracks but are not 
totally broken yet..

Thanks,

Robert
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "PAUL WENTINK" <randalpark@xxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: IML: 'Floating Power'


There should be heat shields. If they are gone, perhaps you can
fabricate your own. That would be quite easy. Some of my cars have
them, and some don't. The primary problem is the mounts becoming oil
soaked, particularly on the driver's side due to spillage while adding
oil. Leaky valve covers can also exacerbate this problem. For me,
having no heat shield makes it easier to spot and clean off any spilled
oil.

Once the mounts break, the engine will drop about 4 inches. If only one
breaks, the engine will drop on one side. This will be apparent from
looking at the position of the engine under the hood. There is an
accompanying vibration, and usually also added noise or rumble. If the
car is equipped with factory air, the fan blades will strike the lower
radiator shroud (been there-done that). If driven under these
circumstances, I suspect drive line damage could occur over time due to
the misalignment issue.

If yours are broken, installing new ones will noticeably increase the
silence and smoothness of your car.

Paul W.


-----Original Message-----
From: Rob van der Es <r.vdes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:57 pm
Subject: Re: IML: 'Floating Power'


Allright Paul,

I had a close look at mine yesterday evening, and they are both in bad
condition on my 60 Imp!
The central metal " ear " has not become fully loose yet, but I don't
think it won't last for another driving season.
Both rubbers are detoriated and cracked severely!
The reason might be that I don't see a heatshield!

Where there originally heathshields on the engine mounts in 1960 or did
they come in later years?
More important, if I want to use them are they still available on the
market today?

Thanks,

Robert
----- Original Message ----- From: "PAUL WENTINK" <randalpark@xxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 1:33 AM
Subject: Re: IML: 'Floating Power'

I paid a local Chrysler Dealer to do it back in the 1970's, and I think
they only charged me for an hour of labor. The second time it was done
at a transmission shop when they were working on something else. They
didn't charge me very much either. I had the mounts replaced in the '63
about five years ago by the same transmission shop during the
transmission servicing, and replacement of the drive shaft center
bearing insulator, which had also broken in that car.

Even though the mounts are the same, certain Imperials seem to have
more trouble with this than others. The mounts in my both of my 1960's
and the '62 are original and not broken, while those in the '63 were,
and those in the '65 have broken numerous times.

I have never changed any of them myself, so I can't share any tricks,
but I don't think it is difficult.

Paul W.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Rob van der Es <r.vdes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 5:44 am
Subject: Re: IML: 'Floating Power'

Hello Paul,

You are correct, at least the engine mounts for the 1960 model year are
" Floating Power".
How difficult are these mounts to replace on a 60 Imperial?
Any special equipment/tools involved here?

My original mounts are detoriated from heat and UV (Californian car)
and won't last that long anymore, lucky enough I was able
to find me a NOS set on Ebay at are very reasonable price last year.
So maybe this summer I will be challenged to replace my worn out engine
mounts for those NOS ones I have.

Any tips to share?

Thanks,

Robert

----- Original Message ----- From: "PAUL WENTINK" <randalpark@xxxxxxx>
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Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: IML: 'Floating Power'

> I don't own a '66, but 1960 through 1965 cars that I have all use the
same >engine mounts, while the transmission mount changed in 1962.
Imperial >services sells two different sets of mounts for these cars.
One set is >exactly like the original, while the other set (which I
believe is cheaper) >is a re-design. I purchased the original style and
I think you are correct >that they are called Floating Power.
> The re-designed replacements are clearly distinguished in their sales 
> descriptions. Read them carefully. I believe that they incorporate
some > changes that make them less likely to break. The reason I didn't
buy them > was that any mount with a direct metal connection between
the frame and > the engine will increase noise and vibration, even if
surrounded by > rubber. The original style suspend the engine in rubber
vulcanized to the > metal portions of the mount. Stresses of heat, age,
and oil work against > this design causing the engine to fall. This can
happen on one or both > sides of the car, either way, it causes
problems with engine alignment, > vibration, fan to fan shroud
clearance on a/c cars, etc. I think the > redesign would keep this from
happening, but at the expense of some > smoothness.
> I'm sorry that I can't help with a '66, but I will say that I went
through > this problem on my '65 more than once over a number of years
before the > Imperial Services parts were available. I am probably
mistaken, but I > think the '66 engine is mounted to the frame
differently that the > previous. If so, that could mean a one year only
application since the > cars changed radically after that.
> Before buying, you should inspect the mounts in your car and match
them up > to those shown in the illustrations provided by Imperial
Services.
> Paul W.
> -----Original Message----- > From: dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<dansgarage@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: > mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent:
Thu, 31 Jan 2008 12:04 am Subject: Re: > IML: 'Floating Power'
> Hi All...I'm planning on ordering a set of Motor Mounts plus a Tranny
> Mount for my '66 Lebaron. The ad I was looking at from 'Imperial
Services'
mentions > the
> motor mounts are "60-66 Floating Power Engine Mounts".....was this
just > the
> term used for these parts back then?...or are these NOT the motor
mounts I > need
> for my Imperial? Thanks a bunch! Dan Melnik
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