Hand-holding with Power Steering Pump rebuild?

From: Chris Lynch <creesto@xxxxxxxxxx>

Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:26:22 -0400

I am faced with either paying someone to rebuild my power steering pump for $160, buying a used replacment for $75 or attempting to rebuild it myself. The guy who wants $160 indicated that it was fairly involved, but that might just be 'selling' trouble. I am on a tight budget and would be willing to try it myself, except I don't have a pulley-puller or an arbor press to put it back on. Can someone convince me I should still attempt it? PLEASE?! > From: mailing-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (List Server) > Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 23:27:28 -0700 > Subject: IML DIGEST > > This is the digest version of the Imperial Mailing List. To receive messages > individually, send an email to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx with the following > in the body of your message: > > set mode standard mailing-list > > To unsubscribe entirely, visit: > http://imperialclub.com/IML-Specific/unsubscribe.htm > > If you have been switched to digest mode without your consent and you want to > know why, visit: > http://imperialclub.com/IML-Specific/autodigest.htm > > > | > | > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~IML DIGEST~~~~~~~~~~~~~~MESSAGE SEPARATOR~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > | > | > | > > From: "Larry Noska" <lnoska@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: IML: Dads 82 Water Pump > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:05:56 -0700 > Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Does any body have thoughts about a new water pump over a rebuilt water > Pump? New is $34.00 rebuilt is $17.00 at Napa. > > The FSM said to use correct pump since pump impeller must be compatible with > the drive ratio provided by pulley system. The Napa parts person said only > one pump was in the book. I did reference a 1982 Imperial. > > Lawrence R Noska > lnoska@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Hauser, ID 83854 > > > > | > | > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~IML DIGEST~~~~~~~~~~~~~~MESSAGE SEPARATOR~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > | > | > | > > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:07:33 -0500 > From: Brad Hogg <roadhogg@xxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: IML: NYBeater > Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Speaking of my fleet, I (with the help of Darryl Kippen and my neighbour) > managed to get my 78 Newport and 76 NYB out of their winter sleeping > quarters tonight. What started as, "I wonder if the ice has gone down > enough to at least get the Newporker to rock back and forth!" ended in, "Now > that we have the Newporker out all we have to to do get the NYB out is...". > > The cars are nicely parked end to end in my driveway along with the blue 78 > at the far end. The white 77 got shunted onto the street while the 90 > Imperial is snug in the garage. Now that I have all this extra space.... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James" <nyb@xxxxxxx> > To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: IML: NYBeater > > > Aw, come on Brad, you can't have a monopoly on the term NYBeater. But > seriously, thanks for the compliment. > > | > | > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~IML DIGEST~~~~~~~~~~~~~~MESSAGE SEPARATOR~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > | > | > | > > From: "Steve B." <imperial59@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: RE: IML: Dads 82 Water Pump > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:22:23 -0400 > Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Does any body have thoughts about a new water pump over a rebuilt water > Pump? New is $34.00 rebuilt is $17.00 at Napa. > > > For that price go with the new pump. Rebuilts are pretty dang good but > the antifreeze you loose would cost you the difference in the pump > price. > > Steve B. > > > | > | > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~IML DIGEST~~~~~~~~~~~~~~MESSAGE SEPARATOR~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > | > | > | > > From: "Clint and Laurie Carter" <laurielu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: IML: Dads 82 Water Pump > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:31:57 -0700 > Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > After selling auto parts for 18 years, Larry,I can tell you, go with the new > pump. Fuel and water. The difference is not that great. > Clint & Laurie Carter > 59 Crown > aka Laurie's Pink Lady > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Noska" <lnoska@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: "Imperial Club" <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 7:05 PM > Subject: IML: Dads 82 Water Pump > > >> Does any body have thoughts about a new water pump over a rebuilt water >> Pump? New is $34.00 rebuilt is $17.00 at Napa. >> >> The FSM said to use correct pump since pump impeller must be compatible > with >> the drive ratio provided by pulley system. The Napa parts person said > only >> one pump was in the book. I did reference a 1982 Imperial. >> >> Lawrence R Noska >> lnoska@xxxxxxxxxxxx >> Hauser, ID 83854 >> >> >> >> >> >> > > | > | > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~IML DIGEST~~~~~~~~~~~~~~MESSAGE SEPARATOR~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > | > | > | > > From: "Steve B." <imperial59@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: RE: IML: Actual Current Prices Of 1959 - 1960 Imperial 4 Door > Hardtops > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:34:32 -0400 > Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C420DE.564AAEA0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I'm very interested in buying a 1959 - 1960 Imperial 4 Door Hardtop. > > > > The prices on the '59 page are getting a bit stale. I will go get a new > copy of the pricing guide and updating the prices for you or you can get > one yourself at most any big book store. Old Car Price Guide is the one > to look for. > > > > I see actual selling prices all over the place. Watch e-bay and the > other on-line places for a while to get a feel for the prices. My > advice would be to buy the best possible car you can find. '59 and '60 > pieces are extremely rare. NOS is impossible to find or priced out of > the ballpark and repro stuff just doesn't exist. Lots of pot metal was > used and it is costly to refinish. To give you an idea of prices two > '59 mirrors recently sold on e-bay. Both were NOS and looked to be in > perfect shape. The driver side went over $500 and the passenger side > wasn't far behind.. > > > > The up side to this is that people notice the car. My '59 is pretty > much a basket case. Yet I can still take my car to the local show and > people will run past $40k Chevys to come see the old girl with the > tattered interior and tired paint. This always makes up for the > scarcity of parts. > > > > Steve B. > > > > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C420DE.564AAEA0 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > <html> > > <head> > <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = > charset=3Dus-ascii"> > > > <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)"> > > <style> >  > </style> > > </head> > > <body lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vlink=3Dpurple> > > <div class=3DSection1> > > <div> > > <div> > > <div> > > <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 = > face=3D"Times New Roman"><span > style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I'm very interested in buying a 1959 - 1960 = > Imperial 4 > Door Hardtop.</span></font></p> > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = > style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p> > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = > style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The prices on the ’59 page = > are > getting a bit stale.  I will go get a new copy of the pricing guide = > and > updating the prices for you or you can get one yourself at most any big = > book > store.  Old Car Price Guide is the one to look = > for.</span></font></p> > > </div> > > <div> > > <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 = > color=3Dnavy > face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = > style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'> </span></font></p> > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = > style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I see actual selling prices all = > over the > place.  Watch e-bay and the other on-line places for a while to get = > a feel > for the prices.  My advice would be to buy the best possible car = > you can > find.  ’59 and ’60 pieces are extremely rare.  NOS = > is > impossible to find or priced out of the ballpark and repro stuff just = > doesn’t > exist.  Lots of pot metal was used and it is costly to = > refinish.  To > give you an idea of prices two ’59 mirrors recently sold on = > e-bay.  > Both were NOS and looked to be in perfect shape.  The driver side = > went > over $500 and the passenger side wasn’t far = > behind….</span></font></p> > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = > style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p> > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = > style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The up side to this is that people = > notice > the car.  My ’59 is pretty much a basket case…  = > Yet I can > still take my car to the local show and people will run past $40k Chevys = > to > come see the old girl with the tattered interior and tired paint.  = > This > always makes up for the scarcity of parts.</span></font></p> > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = > style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p> > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = > style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>      = >             &= > nbsp;           &n= > bsp;           &nb= > sp;        > </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Steve B.</span></font></p> > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = > style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p> > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = > style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p> > > </div> > > </div> > > </div> > > </div> > > </body> > > </html> > > ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C420DE.564AAEA0-- > > > | > | > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~IML DIGEST~~~~~~~~~~~~~~MESSAGE SEPARATOR~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > | > | > | > > From: "Hugh & Therese" <hugtrees@xxxxxxxx> > Subject: IML: 392 in pieces > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:38:56 -0500 > Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Hi folks, > > I got to se my 58's 392 Hemi in pieces today. Fascinating stuff. I'm > pinched for time this second but can say I was right, it needed a ring job. > The cylinder walls look fine but there is some scarring on one or two of the > pistons and also on the bearings that attach to the crank shaft. They gave > me a list of desirable actions to take from this point but . . . > > There is a huge crack in the block !!!! It's old, very old and does not > seem to have reached the cylinders. They want to take the block to a shop > and find out the best thing to do with it. It probably reaches the water > jacket but I know for a fact it doesn't leak. > > I thought the car had been seriously worked on before. This kind of damage > comes from freezing, not over heating so it is not related to the cracked > head of a few years ago. > > I took some pictures of the engine and of the car, which looks very high up > in the front end, for some reason! Getting heat from the "boss." Gotta go. > > Hugh > > > | > | > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~IML DIGEST~~~~~~~~~~~~~~MESSAGE SEPARATOR~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > | > | > | > > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:02:04 -0700 (PDT) > From: Martin Karson <mkei@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: RE: IML: Actual Current Prices Of 1959 - 1960 Imperial 4 Door > Hardtops > Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > --0-641031179-1081825324=:3590 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Steve B. thanks for the help. I will follow with the price guides as well > as E Bay. Had no idea the parts were so out of sight. Many thanks for your > insight into pricing and availability. Marty Karson > > "Steve B." <imperial59@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I'm very interested in buying a 1959 - 1960 Imperial 4 Door Hardtop. > > > > The prices on the �59 page are getting a bit stale. I will go get a new copy > of the pricing guide and updating the prices for you or you can get one > yourself at most any big book store. Old Car Price Guide is the one to look > for. > > > > > I see actual selling prices all over the place. Watch e-bay and the other > on-line places for a while to get a feel for the prices. My advice would be > to buy the best possible car you can find. �59 and �60 pieces are extremely > rare. NOS is impossible to find or priced out of the ballpark and repro stuff > just doesn�t exist. Lots of pot metal was used and it is costly to refinish. > To give you an idea of prices two �59 mirrors recently sold on e-bay. Both > were NOS and looked to be in perfect shape. The driver side went over $500 > and the passenger side wasn�t far behind�. > > > > The up side to this is that people notice the car. My �59 is pretty much a > basket case� Yet I can still take my car to the local show and people will > run past $40k Chevys to come see the old girl with the tattered interior and > tired paint. This always makes up for the scarcity of parts. > > > > Steve B. > > > > > > > > > > > --0-641031179-1081825324=:3590 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii > > <DIV>Steve B.   thanks for the help.  I will follow with the > price guides as well as E Bay.  Had no idea the parts were so out of > sight.  Many thanks for your insight into pricing and > availability.   Marty Karson<BR><BR><B><I>"Steve B." > <imperial59@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx></I></B> wrote: > <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; > BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> > <META content="Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)" name=Generator> > <STYLE> >  > </STYLE> > > <DIV class=Section1> > <DIV> > <DIV> > <DIV> > <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" > size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I'm very interested in buying a 1959 - > 1960 Imperial 4 Door Hardtop.</SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: > 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P> > <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: > 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The prices on the �59 page are getting > a bit stale.  I will go get a new copy of the pricing guide and updating > the prices for you or you can get one yourself at most any big book > store.  Old Car Price Guide is the one to look > for.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> > <DIV> > <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" > color=navy size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: > navy"></SPAN></FONT> </P> > <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: > 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I see actual selling prices all over > the place.  Watch e-bay and the other on-line places for a while to get a > feel for the prices.  My advice would be to buy the best possible car you > can find.  �59 and �60 pieces are extremely rare.  NOS is impossible > to find or priced out of the ballpark and repro stuff just doesn�t > exist.  Lots of pot metal was used and it is costly to refinish.  To > give you an idea of prices two �59 mirrors recently sold on e-bay.  Both > were NOS and looked to be in perfect shape.  The driver side went over > $500 and the passenger side wasn�t far behind�.</SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: > 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P> > <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: > 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The up side to this is that people > notice the car.  My �59 is pretty much a basket case�  Yet I can > still take my car to the local show and people will run past $40k Chevys to > come see the old girl with the tattered interior and tired paint.  This > always makes up for the scarcity of parts.</SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: > 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P> > <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: > 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: > Arial">           &nbsp > ;            &nbsp > ;            &nbsp > ;             > </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; > COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Steve B.</SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: > 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P> > <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: > 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: > Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> > --0-641031179-1081825324=:3590-- > | > | > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~IML DIGEST~~~~~~~~~~~~~~MESSAGE SEPARATOR~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > | > | > | > > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:45:09 -0700 > From: "A. Foster" <monkeypuzzle1@xxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: IML: Actual Current Prices Of 1959 - 1960 Imperial 4 Door > Hardtops > Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --Boundary_(ID_YhtQmeBPgbMOv/DnGLO8XA) > Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > Martin; > I wouldn't worry about one or two Ebay auctions on 59' parts; all it takes is > two or three guys to get auction fever and the winner, if he pays up, can wind > up paying double what something is worth. On top of that some people enter the > wrong bid amount or don't know the proxy bid system is supposed to work, and > the odd unscrupulous seller still engages in shill bidding. I have seen some > items pop up for auction several times that were supposedly sold, likely for > the above reasons. > The truth being is that most Imperials use the same rear view mirrors as their > lesser Chrysler, DeSoto, and sometimes Dodge counterparts. You will find that > there are other parts that are interchangable as well. > The best advice that I can give, and this goes with other things as well, is > to buy the most complete and original car that you can find. Contrary to what > many might think this can mean a number three rated car or a better number > four rated car. I also wouldn't worry about a car that has fancy aftermarket > rims, so long as they didn't mess with the drive train or shave the trim and > chuck it out. There is an online price guide at this address: > www.vmrintl.com/cctm/coll_frame.htm > Unlike some price guides that I have seen they base their values on market > research and not a theoretical ideal. > Best Regards > Arran Foster > 1954 Imperial Newport > Needing A Left Side Tailight Bezel and other trim parts. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Martin Karson > To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 8:02 PM > Subject: RE: IML: Actual Current Prices Of 1959 - 1960 Imperial 4 Door > Hardtops > > > Steve B. thanks for the help. I will follow with the price guides as well > as E Bay. Had no idea the parts were so out of sight. Many thanks for your > insight into pricing and availability. Marty Karson > > "Steve B." <imperial59@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I'm very interested in buying a 1959 - 1960 Imperial 4 Door Hardtop. > > > > The prices on the '59 page are getting a bit stale. I will go get a new copy > of the pricing guide and updating the prices for you or you can get one > yourself at most any big book store. Old Car Price Guide is the one to look > for. > > > > I see actual selling prices all over the place. Watch e-bay and the other > on-line places for a while to get a feel for the prices. My advice would be > to buy the best possible car you can find. '59 and '60 pieces are extremely > rare. NOS is impossible to find or priced out of the ballpark and repro stuff > just doesn't exist. Lots of pot metal was used and it is costly to refinish. > To give you an idea of prices two '59 mirrors recently sold on e-bay. Both > were NOS and looked to be in perfect shape. The driver side went over $500 > and the passenger side wasn't far behind.. > > > > The up side to this is that people notice the car. My '59 is pretty much a > basket case. Yet I can still take my car to the local show and people will > run past $40k Chevys to come see the old girl with the tattered interior and > tired paint. This always makes up for the scarcity of parts. > > > > Steve B. > > > > > > --Boundary_(ID_YhtQmeBPgbMOv/DnGLO8XA) > Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> > <HTML><HEAD> > <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> > <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT = > size=3D3>Martin</FONT>;</FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> <FONT size=3D3>I wouldn't worry = > about one or=20 > two Ebay auctions on 59' parts; all it takes is two or three guys to get = > auction=20 > fever and the winner, if he pays up, can wind up paying double what = > something is=20 > worth. On top of that some people enter the wrong bid amount or don't = > know the=20 > proxy bid system is supposed to work, and the odd unscrupulous seller = > still=20 > engages in shill bidding. I have seen some items pop up for auction = > several=20 > times that were supposedly sold, likely for the above=20 > reasons.</FONT></FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT size=3D3> The truth being is = > that most=20 > Imperials use the same rear view mirrors as their lesser Chrysler, = > DeSoto, and=20 > sometimes Dodge counterparts. You will find that there are other parts = > that are=20 > interchangable as well. </FONT></FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT size=3D3> The best advice = > that I can give,=20 > and this goes with other things as well, is to buy the most complete and = > > original car that you can find. Contrary to what many might think this = > can mean=20 > a number three rated car or a better number four rated car. I also = > wouldn't=20 > worry about a car that has fancy aftermarket rims, so long as they = > didn't=20 > mess with the drive train or shave the trim and chuck it out. There = > is an=20 > online price guide at this address: <A=20 > href=3D"http://www.vmrintl.com/cctm/coll_frame.htm";>www.vmrintl.com/cctm/= > coll_frame.htm</A></FONT></FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Unlike some price guides that I have seen they = > base their=20 > values on market research and not a theoretical ideal.</FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Best Regards</FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Arran Foster</FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>1954 Imperial Newport</FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Needing A Left Side Tailight Bezel and other = > trim=20 > parts.</FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV> > <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 > style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = > BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> > <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> > <DIV=20 > style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = > black"><B>From:</B>=20 > <A title=3Dmkei@xxxxxxxxxxxxx = > href=3D"mailto:mkei@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>Martin Karson</A>=20 > </DIV> > <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 > title=3Dmailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=20 > = > href=3D"mailto:mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx= > om</A>=20 > </DIV> > <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 12, 2004 = > 8:02=20 > PM</DIV> > <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: IML: Actual = > Current Prices=20 > Of 1959 - 1960 Imperial 4 Door Hardtops</DIV> > <DIV><BR></DIV> > <DIV>Steve B.   thanks for the help.  I will follow = > with the=20 > price guides as well as E Bay.  Had no idea the parts were so out = > of=20 > sight.  Many thanks for your insight into pricing and=20 > availability.   Marty Karson<BR><BR><B><I>"Steve B." <<A=20 > = > href=3D"mailto:imperial59@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>imperial59@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>= > ></I></B>=20 > wrote:=20 > <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dreplbq=20 > style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px = > solid"> > <META content=3D"Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)" name=3DGenerator> > <STYLE>@page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in = > 1.0in 1.25in; } > P.MsoNormal { > FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" > } > LI.MsoNormal { > FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" > } > DIV.MsoNormal { > FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" > } > A:link { > COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline > } > SPAN.MsoHyperlink { > COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline > } > A:visited { > COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline > } > SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { > COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline > } > SPAN.EmailStyle17 { > COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial > } > DIV.Section1 { > page: Section1 > } > </STYLE> > > <DIV class=3DSection1> > <DIV> > <DIV> > <DIV> > <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = > face=3D"Times New Roman"=20 > size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I'm very interested in = > buying a 1959 -=20 > 1960 Imperial 4 Door Hardtop.</SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 > style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = > Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P> > <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 > style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The = > prices on the=20 > =9259 page are getting a bit stale.  I will go get a new copy = > of the=20 > pricing guide and updating the prices for you or you can get one = > yourself at=20 > most any big book store.  Old Car Price Guide is the one to = > look=20 > for.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> > <DIV> > <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = > face=3D"Times New Roman"=20 > color=3Dnavy size=3D3><SPAN=20 > style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy"></SPAN></FONT> </P> > <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 > style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I see = > actual=20 > selling prices all over the place.  Watch e-bay and the other = > on-line=20 > places for a while to get a feel for the prices.  My advice = > would be to=20 > buy the best possible car you can find.  =9259 and =9260 pieces = > are=20 > extremely rare.  NOS is impossible to find or priced out of the = > > ballpark and repro stuff just doesn=92t exist.  Lots of pot = > metal was=20 > used and it is costly to refinish.  To give you an idea of = > prices two=20 > =9259 mirrors recently sold on e-bay.  Both were NOS and looked = > to be in=20 > perfect shape.  The driver side went over $500 and the = > passenger side=20 > wasn=92t far behind=85.</SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 > style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = > Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P> > <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 > style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The up = > side to this=20 > is that people notice the car.  My =9259 is pretty much a = > basket=20 > case=85  Yet I can still take my car to the local show and = > people will=20 > run past $40k Chevys to come see the old girl with the tattered = > interior and=20 > tired paint.  This always makes up for the scarcity of=20 > parts.</SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 > style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = > Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P> > <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 > style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = > Arial">           = >             &= > nbsp;           &n= > bsp;           &nb= > sp;  =20 > </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 > style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Steve=20 > B.</SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 > style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = > Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P> > <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20 > style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = > Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV= >> </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> > > --Boundary_(ID_YhtQmeBPgbMOv/DnGLO8XA)-- > | > | > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~IML DIGEST~~~~~~~~~~~~~~MESSAGE SEPARATOR~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > | > | > | > > Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 02:18:07 -0400 > From: RandalPark@xxxxxxx > Subject: Re: IML: 392 in pieces > Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > I don't know how you can tell that a cracked block got that way by freezing or > by overheating. I know that the block in my '65 Imperial was cracked when I > got it. It never leaked, but it was a BIG crack. It had come from over heating > and there was other evidence as well, such as broken rings, bearing damage, > and , oh yes, the proverbial characteristic remains of a mammoth trailer > hitch. > > I replaced mine. I don't think that I would ever repair or pay to have > repaired a cracked cylinder block unless a replacement was absolutely > unobtainable. I know that they can be fixed and if done right, very well, in > fact. The trouble is, not only would it not be as good as a block that was > never cracked in the first place, but I would always know that it was cracked. > If I had to sell the car, I would never feel right about it unless I told > everyone. Guess what, then they probably wouldn't buy it. > > I highly recommend that you replace your block, Hugh. It will be a better > engine job in the long run. > > Paul > > In a message dated 4/12/2004 10:38:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > hugtrees@xxxxxxxx writes: > >> >> >> Hi folks, >> >> I got to se my 58's 392 Hemi in pieces today. Fascinating stuff. I'm >> pinched for time this second but can say I was right, it needed a ring job. >> The cylinder walls look fine but there is some scarring on one or two of the >> pistons and also on the bearings that attach to the crank shaft. They gave >> me a list of desirable actions to take from this point but . . . >> >> There is a huge crack in the block !!!! It's old, very old and does not >> seem to have reached the cylinders. They want to take the block to a shop >> and find out the best thing to do with it. It probably reaches the water >> jacket but I know for a fact it doesn't leak. >> >> I thought the car had been seriously worked on before. This kind of damage >> comes from freezing, not over heating so it is not related to the cracked >> head of a few years ago. >> >> I took some pictures of the engine and of the car, which looks very high up >> in the front end, for some reason! Getting heat from the "boss." Gotta go. >> >> Hugh >> >> >> >>

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