Starters

["Bill Watson" <wwatson5@xxxxxxxxx>]

The reduction gear starter was new for 1962 and to my knowledge was not used
before then.  The new starter was used across the board in 1962, regardless
of engine or tramsmision, with the exception of the Dodge 880 and Chrysler
models with manual transmission.   (Also Canadian-built slant six cars)

You are right, the 1960 Valiant had the altenator as standard equipment
right from day one.   It was optional on all other Mopar models and made
standard equipment in 1961.  In Canada the alternator was standard with the
1963 Canadian models and optional on 1960-62 Canadian models, including the
Valiant.   Imported models, such as the Imperial, had the same equipment
list as in the U.S., including the alternator.

Bill
Vancouver, BC


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <RandalPark@xxxxxxx>
To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: IML: Starters


> Thanks Bill,
>
> I was hoping some one would jump in and help us out with this. I did
understand that the change to the gear reduction starter was not done
"because" of the new transmission, but rather coincided with it on the
Imperial.
>
> Were there any Chrysler Corporation cars using the gear reduction starter
prior to 1962? For some reason I had it in the back of my mind that the
Valiant had it earlier than that. I may be confusing this myself with the
alternator issue since early '60 Imperials had generators and later ones had
alternators, but I am thinking that Valiants had alternators from the
beginning.
>
> Paul
>
> In a message dated 7/16/2004 5:54:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Bill
Watson" <wwatson5@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
>
> >
> >The big change in starters in 1962 was not due to the change in the
> >transmission, but a brand new starter design. The A-727 Toruqeflite was
new
> >for 1962, but the A-904 was carried over from 1960-61 and it, too, used
the
> >new starter, in most cases.
> >
> >Up to 1961 Chrysler used direct drive starters, usually purchased from
> >Autolite, which became Prestolite when Ford bought a chunk of Autolite
and
> >the rights to the name. The new Chrysler starter was a reduction gear
> >design, giving that unique whine when the starter is engaged. As a result
> >of this, the number of teeth on the ring gear changed. Thus the two
starter
> >designs are not interchangeable.
> >
> >The Chrysler reduction gear starter was used on all American-built Mopar
> >cars from 1962, with the except of 1962-64 Dodge 880 and Chrysler cars
with
> >a manual transmission. Those cars held on to the direct drive starter.
> >
> >In Canada the reduction gear starter was used on all Chryco products with
a
> >V8 engine. The slant six Valiants, Plymouths and Dodges continued to use
> >the direct drive starter, supplied by Prestolite, until the end of the
1966
> >model year. With the 1967 models, Chrysler Canada switched to the
redcution
> >gear xtarter.
> >
> >Thus Imperials from 1956 to 1961 used the direct drive starter and from
1962
> >used Chrysler's reduction gear starter. According to my interchange book,
> >the starters are the same from 1959 to 1961 on Imperials, using Chrysler
> >part number 1889 200. This unit was also used on 1959-61 Chryslers,
1959-61
> >DeSotos (except Firesweep), 1960 Dodge with 361 or 383 V8, 1961 Plymouth
> >with 361 or 383 V8, 1962-64 Chryslers with standard transmission, and
> >1962-64 Dodge 880 with standard transmission.
> >
> >The book also says the 1957-58 starter, 1842 562, will fit. This unit was
> >used on 1957-58 Imperials, 1957-58 Chryslers and 1957-58 DeSotos (except
> >Firesweep). It should also fit Canadian-built 1958 Dodge Custom Royal
> >models (they used Chrysler's 354 poly engine).
> >
> >Bill
> >Vancouver, BC
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: <RandalPark@xxxxxxx>
> >To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 6:40 AM
> >Subject: Re: IML: Starters
> >
> >
> >> The fact that your sources tell you that the "early" 1960 starter will
fit
> >and "late" 1960 starter won't leads me to believe that they are
inaccurate.
> >1960 starters are all the same. I have never owned a '59 or tried to buy
a
> >starter for one, but I do have two '60s, one of them for over 40 years
(Mom
> >bought it new). I have replaced the starter on both of them. Electrically
> >there was a change during the 1960 model year. That was the switch from a
> >generator to an alternator.
> >>
> >> I have been told that 1956 through 1961 starters are all the same. I
have
> >an extra 1956 starter, and it does look the same as the 1960, but I have
> >never tried to install it on the later car (probably won't either). The
> >engine was changed significantly between 1958 and 1959. This engine was
used
> >for many years, but due to a change in the transmission for 1962, that
> >year's starter is totally different. Even so, I have been told be some
that
> >it will fit in the early cars, but I have not ever tried it either.
> >>
> >>
> >> I am sure that there is some way of verifying all of this, and I expect
it
> >has been throughly discussed at some point in the IML. Try searching the
> >archives and see what you find.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> In a message dated 7/16/2004 12:11:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Chad
> >Smith" <hemi_powered@xxxxxxx> writes:
> >>
> >> >Paul:
> >> >
> >> >Teresa (not Theresa) was told by more than one parts outlet that the
> >starter for the 1959 was unique to the 1959, that a 1960 may work, but
the
> >1961 that lives not far from me does not have the same starter. Please
> >enlighten me if you know otherwise.
> >> >
> >> >Teresa