Re: [FWDLK] What's a "Clone" ??

[Scott H <kneedrager@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Wasn't one of those secret numbers that helped the FBI find the World Trade
Center Bombers.  I know it is not relevent to this conversation but the
point is that you can always be found out.


> From: Ron Waters <Ronbo97@xxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: Ron Waters <ronbo97@xxxxxxxx>
> To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [FWDLK] What's a "Clone" ??
> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:38:16 -0500
>
> Here's the 'fine line' :
>
> When someone takes a Firedome (or whatever) and paints it up to look like
> an
> Adventurer (or whatever) , changes to an Adventurer engine, adds the
> Adventurer interior, etc. then it's a clone.  When someone changes the VIN
> tag and/or the dataplate, then it becomes a counterfeit, or fraudulent car.
> That's why some automobiles have 'secret numbers' (we don't want to go off
> on this discussion, please) to prove that they are what they appear to be.
>
> Buyer beware, and research the car before you buy it.
>
> My 2¢.
>
> Ron
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Exner Fan" <xnr_fan@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 11:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [FWDLK] What's a "Clone" ??
>
>
> > But where's the fine line?
> >
> > The quandry, as I see it, is that it is easy for
> > someone to take a Firedome two-door hardtop and turn
> > it in to an Adventurer if they have the necessary
> > Adventurer only parts, VIN, cowl tag, frame, carbs,
> > cleaner, block, suspension, etc.
> >
> > And if someone DOES do this, should it be considered a
> > clone?
> >
> > It's not an accurate representation of what the buyer
> > is actually getting is it, or is it?  The sheet metal
> > is the same.  When the metal was stamped out, no one
> > was sure whether it was going to become an Adventurer
> > or a Firedome, were they?
> >
> > By your definition, if I am reading you correctly, the
> > only thing that kept this Barrett Jackson car from
> > being a "true" car is that the VIN and cowl tag didn't
> > match the Historical Records, right?
> >
> > Had the person selling it also dug up a VIN and trim
> > tag to match, then it would suddenly be an Adventurer
> > Convertible, fully documented, right?
> >
> > And I don't think it would be that hard to dig up a
> > VIN tag and cowl tag for one, especially considering
> > the pay off.
> >
> > Just for the record, would that have made the
> > difference in your (or anyone else's) eyes?
> >
> > I am no arguing really one way or another, I am just
> > wondering what the general concensus is on this
> > because an awful lot of people are cutting up decent
> > lower trim cars to make the more desirable and rarer
> > models (and I am sure many 300, Fury, D-500 and
> > Adventurer people know what I am talking about) and
> > they are not being accused of making clones, as near
> > as I can tell.
> >
> > So was it just the matter of the VIN and cowl tag?
> > Would it have been legitimate then? And for further
> > discussion, would that then make the destruction of a
> > Fireflite convertible to make an Adventurer
> > convertible justified as well?
> >
> > For that matter, do people here feel justified in
> > destroying a rust free example of a lower trim model
> > in order to restore their rusted out more desirable
> > model?
> >
> > It happens all the time, especially with two-door HT's
> > being destroyed to restore the rusty convertibles.
> >
> > Leslie Howard
> >
> >
> >
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