Re: [FWDLK] Ebay
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Re: [FWDLK] Ebay

Ron;
Do not believe that it's hard to do. It has been done alot. One way is to send an email to a seller stating that his account is being messed with, "please log in" and verify some bogus sale. Seller follows the links provided and gets taken to a scammer and logs in. Password is now in the scammers hands. I've gotten 6-7 of these scams in the last 2 weeks, which I forward to spoof@ebay. Last week, I was emailed back from ebay and was told that one email from them was legit. 1 out of (seems like) a hundred in the last year or so.

If any of you get a email from ebay or PayPal, don't respond, never follow the link. Open a new browser-page and type in eBay or PayPal and once logged in, look at your "Messages" link to see if they really did email you.

Also note, that eBay will always have your name on the email if it's from them. but just to be safe, do the above.

And yes, feedback is very important. I have a 100% positive from 247 different members, and most are very exuberant since I go to great lengths to pack well and ship fast. i am very proud of the feedback, and give as good as I get. There would have been more than 500 Positive, but when we moved and had to change ISP's, I somehow lost my old account and was started over again.

I'll take a check or MO if their feedback is great and there's 25 or more, but I also hold up shipping for a few days to let checks clear.

regards, Ray


On Mar 9, 2006, at 5:04 PM, Ron Waters wrote:

Ray -

It's quite difficult to 'lift the ID of a legit seller'. He would have to
have the seller's password, right ? If the seller takes the necessary
precautions, such as not using a public internet connection when listing
items, he should not have any problems. Stealing pics from a legit auction
or other source is another matter. Anyone that sees a Chrysler 300F convert
as a BuyItNow for $6K should be suspicious, right ? But scammers have
always been around. Hemmings has had its share of those long before the
internet was in everyone's home. Caveat Emptor.

As a seller, my feedback rating on ebay works in my favor. I ask for check
or money order. Ebay sends out an email at the end of the auction with the
seller's address, so the check will go to the correct address. As a buyer,
if something smells fishy, I'll pass.

This may be getting a little bit off FL discussion. Sorry about that.

Ron

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Jones" <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Ebay


Hi Ron;
You were on the receiving end of the deal. YOU got the money. For the
buyer it is risky, he didn't know if your were  legit or not. He
trusted you. That's what the big deal is, when YOU are buying
something.
What often happens here is that a scammer lifts the ID of a legit
seller (maybe you) and runs an auction of his own (you have no idea
that this is happening). He lists something he copied off another ebay
item. In the description he requires WU for payment, and with a phony
ID, picks up the cash and is gone in the night. This happens often with
WU, to the point that eBay tells you not to use it. Not because they
want you to use PayPal, but because so many have been screwed. The
buyer then contacts you and wants his stuff and you have no idea what
he's talking about. Some of that is what you've been seeing with all
these recent emails about the phony cars on eBay.

As far as the money to PayPal goes, you are using a service and should
pay for it. It's the cost of doing business, and after all YOU have
invested nothing in your "store", so the fees are your "Rent", for
eBay's tent. When you go to a flea market, you have to rent the table,
no difference here.

Also, I believe you can still go to WalMart and send large amounts of
cash to someone elsewhere, they just go into their store and ID
themselves and pick it up. It was very cheap the last time I did it.

regards, Ray



On Mar 9, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Ron Waters wrote:

I recently sold a brake booster to a guy in Sweden and he used an old
fashioned method of sending me the money--he wired it via Western
Union. This very old payment method is almost never mentioned, yet is
a viable way of completing a transaction. It was easy to collect, as
the Western Union office is in a local grocery store. You get paid in
cash, so no concerns about checks drawn against the First Bank of
Kenya.

Sorry, but with eBay's fees on the rise, I don't need to turn over an
additional 4.2% to paypal. Don't understand what the big deal
is in writing a check or obtaining a money order, or even using WU.

Ron
----- Original Message -----
 From: debenson2
To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Ebay

hello, Jim that has also been a big frustration for me too....payPal
is the ONLY way to go!

As you state more and more sellers refuse to take payPal (they use it
for their buys) but seem too cheap to take it for their listings.

I believe they are really missing the boat!

They claim high cost, but in fact that stand may by costing them
money.....I do not bid if I am unable to use payPal!

(I even take it and have used it to buy and sell big ticket cars...)

In this world of scams "N" scum, bidders need the safety that payPal
affords.
If you find payPal costly then account for it in your pricing it is a
cost of doing business, just like taking visa....
postscript; bidpay was slow!!
debenson2
Road2Recovery
Box 43873
Brooklyn Park, Minnesota 55443 USA
----- Original Message -----
 From: Jim Hoekendijk
To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 1:13 AM
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Ebay


Yes, it is BidPay that recently went out of business, without any
warning to their customers.

Quite troublesome for me as a foreigner who’s only option besides
PayPal was BidPay.

And since more and more sellers are no longer accepting PayPal I have
to let go of some nice stuff I see on eBay so every now and then. I
hate that…



Jim Hoekendijk

The Netherlands.




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[mailto:L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Namens debenson2
Verzonden: donderdag 9 maart 2006 2:19
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Onderwerp: Re: [FWDLK] Ebay



I believe it was bid pay that was owned by WU.

debenson2
Road2Recovery
Box 43873
Brooklyn Park, Minnesota 55443 USA
763/438/6671
612/319/5619 pager & voice mail

----- Original Message -----

From: Bryan Scott

To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:03 PM

Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Ebay



I heard the story on the news last week, but apparently it's just
certain
 aspects of their operation? The news story didn't depict it that
way....

----- Original Message -----
 From: "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Bryan Scott" <scott1990@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:59 PM
Subject: RE: [FWDLK] Ebay


Are you sure? There is no mention of it on their website, and the
office in my building is still open.

-Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Forward Look Mopar Discussion List
[mailto:L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bryan Scott
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:31 PM
To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Ebay

Western Union recently went out of business and is no more.
----- Original Message -----
 From: "Ray Jones" <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Ebay


We need to beat this dead horse....DO NOT PAY FOR ANYTHING ON WESTERN
UNION!!
It is the payment choice of scammers. Use them to send money to your
Mom or a friend, NEVER to pay for something unless you know the
person

your paying.
That's one of the safety tips on all the ebay sites/warnings.
Regards, Ray


On Mar 8, 2006, at 7:26 AM, Mike Singer / Emporium Secondaries, Inc.
wrote:

I do not want to beat a dead horse but; My brother was bidding on a
panel
van and lost. He received an email Second chance. Drove 35 miles to
Western
Union to send out the payment. Western Union called him later and
told 
him
that it was a fraud. He was able to stop payment.

Please be very careful when bidding.

Mike Singer, 57 Fireflite, 76 Warlock, 94 V-10 & 04 Hemi 2500 4wd
pickus,
05 Magnum RT
Mike Singer

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