Did no one notice the obvious lie in the ad? 'A larger bore than the other 361s'? What a joke!! If you leave the stroke alone and bore a 361 it's not a 361 anymore!!
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Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 23:02:44 -0500
From: Bill Amberger <Magnumguy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: THIS IS ONE STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFUL CAR.....
Bill The Magnumguy
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From: eastern sierra Adj Services <esierraadj@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: THIS IS ONE STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFUL CAR.....
This car, when its seller was asking $200K
for it, was discussed, in detail, on the FWDLK's website, under its
General Discussion Board.
Cutting to the chase, and despite the puffery on its rarety, it WAS
built as a Super D500 2 4-bbl Coro convertible, but , it was originally
all-white, with an Ivory-and-black interior, as opposed to its being
"cosmetically" restored, with its red/white paint, and red/black
upholstery (in Custom Royal cloth/instalation-motif).
Ron Waters saw the car, in person, and stated that the quality of the
'restoration' was rather crude/careless.
What's it really worth? depends upon the
knowledge/interest of the
bidders on it.
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Subject: [FWDLK] THIS IS ONE STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFUL CAR.....
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Subject: Exner-esque picture..
..OK, not FWDLK, but a neat original photo; I don't think that they are
300L wheelcovers, but I woulda loved to have had that car, in '65!
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Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:23:47 GMT
From: Jim Ruckdashel <jruckdashel@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Torqueflite shift problems
I have a 58 Ply with a cast iron Torqueflite in it. The other day I found that the pushbuttons would not work. I couldn't get it into '1" so I could not get the cable ou of the cable adaptor on the trans. So I took the PB operator out and disconected the cable from it. Tried and failed to move the cable. Finally I pulled pretty hard on it and it moved to the "1" position. I could then get the trans end out of the trans cable adaptor. With it disconnected at both ends, the cable moved freely. I reconnected the cable to just the Pb operator and both worked fine. Then I tried reinstalling the cable in the cable adaptor on the trans end while someone held the reverse button in. I could not push the cable all the way in, so I assume that the selector on the
valve body is jammed. I think the problem is with the detent ball that engages the selector that the cable moves on the valve body. I pulled the neutral switch out thinking that might be the problem. No change. Any one with any ideas?? I can't move the car. So I need help. Thanks Jim
Jim Ruckdashel
4241 Singing Post Lane
Roswell, GA 30075
770-992-9746
Jruckdashel@xxxxxxxx
************************************************************* Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 12:53:12 -0400
From: Ron Waters <ronbo97@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: THIS IS ONE STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFUL
CAR.....
The rockers appeared to have been replaced at some point, but not very well.
The panel alignment was not very good overall. There is overspray on the
frame and other places. OTOH, the quarters appeared to be solid and
original.
IMHO, aside from the installation of a good pair of rockers, bringing the
car to a 'nice, although somewhat incorrect restoration' level would not
take a lot. I would even leave the CRL interior. Another thing: there is an
aftermarket manual choke and manual throttle (?) installed. Dunno why.
It'll be interesting to see what the car brings.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
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To:
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 2:15 AM
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] THIS IS ONE STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFUL CAR.....
> This car, when its seller was asking $200K
> for it, was discussed, in detail, on the
FWDLK's website, under its
> General Discussion Board.
>
> Cutting to the chase, and despite the puffery on its rarety, it WAS
> built as a Super D500 2 4-bbl Coro convertible, but , it was originally
> all-white, with an Ivory-and-black interior, as opposed to its being
> "cosmetically" restored, with its red/white paint, and red/black
> upholstery (in Custom Royal cloth/instalation-motif).
>
> Ron Waters saw the car, in person, and stated that the quality of the
> 'restoration' was rather crude/careless.
>
> What's it really worth? depends upon the knowledge/interest of the
> bidders on it.
>
> Neil Vedder
>
>
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Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:38:11 -0700
From: Jan & Roger van Hoy <vanhilla@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: THIS IS ONE STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFUL CAR.....
Not when Neil gets done with it! For example, it's got Custom Royal
front bumper teeth and dash inserts. --Roger van Hoy, Washougal, WA, '55 DeSoto, '58 DeSoto, '56 Plymouth, '66 Plymouth, '41 Dodge ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:02 PM Subject: [FWDLK] THIS IS ONE STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFUL
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Bill The Magnumguy
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From: Larry Gardinier <gardinier@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Torqueflite shift problems
Is the car at home? I hope it's not in a parking lot (or worse on the side of 285). It sounds like you're going to have drop the pan and take a look inside. I think you can see the selector when the pan is removed and I know you can remove the valvebody. The pan gasket should be available at NAPA or ORielly Auto. You didn't mention if the trans would go into other gear positions. Larry Gardinier 770 924 5722 --------------
Original message --------------
From: Jim Ruckdashel <jruckdashel@xxxxxxxx>
I have a 58 Ply with a cast iron Torqueflite in it. The other day I found that the pushbuttons would not work. I couldn't get it into '1" so I could not get the cable ou of the cable adaptor on the trans. So I took the PB operator out and disconected the cable from it. Tried and failed to move the cable. Finally I pulled pretty hard on it and it moved to the "1" position. I could then get the trans end out of the trans cable adaptor. With it disconnected at both ends, the cable moved freely. I reconnected the cable to just the Pb operator and both worked fine. Then I tried reinstalling the cable in the cable adaptor on the trans end while someone held the reverse button in. I could not push the cable all the way in, so I assume that the selector on the valve body is jammed.
I think the problem is with the detent ball that engages the selector that the cable moves on the valve body. I pulled the neutral switch out thinking that might be the problem. No change. Any one with any ideas?? I can't move the car. So I need help. Thanks Jim
Jim Ruckdashel
4241 Singing Post Lane
Roswell, GA 30075
770-992-9746
Jruckdashel@xxxxxxxx
************************************************************* ************************************************************* Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 11:14:31 -0700
From: eastern sierra Adj Services <esierraadj@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: THIS IS ONE STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFUL CAR.....
Ahhhh, Ye of little......KNOWLEDGE.
(That's OK, that's why I/we are here!)
I deciphered this car's Paint/Trim plate, over on the FWDLK's website,
when it was discussed, there.
However, in 1958, Grille 'teeth' ("vertical bars", as they were called,
in '58) WERE optionally available on each and every Dodge model (as
opposed to 1957, when they were only installed on Custom Royals & on
Custom Sierra wagons)..
So, 'you' can have a 1958 Custom Royal
Super D500 convertible, without
the 'teeth', and/or 'you' could have a 1958 Coronet 6-cylinder 2-dr
sedan, WITH grille teeth.
Neil Vedder
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Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:38:11 -0700
From: Jan & Roger van Hoy <vanhilla@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] THIS IS ONE STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFUL CAR.....
To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Not when Neil gets done with it! For example, it's got Custom Royal front bumper teeth and dash inserts. --Roger van Hoy, Washougal, WA, '55 DeSoto, '58 DeSoto, '56 Plymouth, '66 Plymouth, '41 Dodge ----- Original Message ----- Sent:
Friday, October 05, 2007 9:02 PM Subject: [FWDLK] THIS IS ONE STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFUL CAR.....
Bill The Magnumguy
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From: Jim Hoekendijk <57_Super_D-500@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: THIS IS ONE STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFUL CAR.....
Ahah!
Could this possibly mean that one could also have a late '57 Coro with teeth
or Custom without? Like we already know late '57s had 58 dash.
But then again, wouldn't do me any good. My '57 is assembled October '56. An
early one.
Jim, The Netherlands.
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Aan: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Onderwerp: Re: [FWDLK] THIS IS ONE STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFUL CAR.....
Ahhhh, Ye of little......KNOWLEDGE.
(That's OK, that's why I/we are here!)
I deciphered this car's Paint/Trim plate, over on the FWDLK's website,
when it was discussed, there.
However, in 1958, Grille 'teeth' ("vertical bars", as they were
called,
in '58) WERE optionally available on each and every Dodge model (as
opposed to 1957, when they were only installed on Custom Royals & on
Custom Sierra wagons)..
So, 'you' can have a 1958 Custom Royal Super D500 convertible, without
the 'teeth', and/or 'you' could have a 1958 Coronet 6-cylinder 2-dr
sedan, WITH grille teeth.
Neil Vedder
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Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 14:36:04 -0700
From: Jan & Roger van Hoy <vanhilla@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: THIS IS ONE STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFUL CAR.....
A little... knowledge... is a
dangerous thing?
So Neil, what about the dash inserts and the CRL interior? Were they
options?
Isn't there ANYTHING ELSE wrong with this car?
[Not that I know; just asking...]
--Roger van Hoy, Washougal, WA, '55 DeSoto, '58 DeSoto, '56 Plymouth, '66
Plymouth, '41 Dodge
----- Original Message -----
From: "eastern sierra Adj Services"
To:
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] THIS IS ONE STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFUL CAR.....
> Ahhhh, Ye of little......KNOWLEDGE.
>
> (That's OK, that's why I/we are here!)
>
> I deciphered this car's Paint/Trim plate, over on the FWDLK's website,
> when it was discussed, there.
>
> However, in 1958, Grille 'teeth' ("vertical bars", as they were called,
> in '58) WERE optionally available on each and every Dodge model (as
> opposed to 1957, when they
were only installed on Custom Royals & on
> Custom Sierra wagons)..
>
> So, 'you' can have a 1958 Custom Royal Super D500 convertible, without
> the 'teeth', and/or 'you' could have a 1958 Coronet 6-cylinder 2-dr
> sedan, WITH grille teeth.
>
> Neil Vedder
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Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:34:18 -0700
From: eastern sierra Adj Services <esierraadj@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: THIS IS ONE STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFUL CAR.....
When I initially looked at the car, I didn't take note of whether it
also had CRL dash inserts, or not.
The door panels are finished in Coro style, but are in red/black, which
is really peculiar.
The seats look as if they were lifted from a CRL.
The engine compartment looks like
it's in "driver" condition, which
contrasts with the new-appearing paintwork.
The trunk has wall-to-wall carpeting (IIRC, this is all from my memory),
and I don't think that the proud-seller provided any views of the car's
undercarriage.
Bottom line: it is a real Super-D convertible, but incorrectly finished
and apparently not too well
reconstructed, in its bodywork.
Neil Vedder
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Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 14:36:04 -0700
From: Jan & Roger van Hoy <vanhilla@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] THIS IS ONE STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFUL CAR.....
To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
A little... knowledge... is a dangerous thing?
So Neil, what about the dash inserts and the CRL interior? Were they
options?
Isn't
there ANYTHING ELSE wrong with this car?
[Not that I know; just asking...]
--Roger van Hoy, Washougal, WA, '55 DeSoto, '58 DeSoto, '56 Plymouth, '66
Plymouth, '41 Dodge
----- Original Message -----
From: "eastern sierra Adj Services"
To:
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] THIS IS ONE STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFUL CAR.....
> Ahhhh, Ye of little......KNOWLEDGE.
>
> (That's OK, that's why I/we are here!)
>
> I deciphered this car's Paint/Trim plate, over on the FWDLK's website,
> when it was discussed, there.
>
> However, in 1958, Grille 'teeth' ("vertical bars", as they were called,
> in '58) WERE optionally available on each and every Dodge model (as
> opposed to 1957, when they were only installed on Custom Royals & on
> Custom Sierra wagons)..
>
> So, 'you' can have a 1958
Custom Royal Super D500 convertible, without
> the 'teeth', and/or 'you' could have a 1958 Coronet 6-cylinder 2-dr
> sedan, WITH grille teeth.
>
> Neil Vedder
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Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 19:15:43 -0400
From: Ron Waters <ronbo97@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: THIS IS ONE STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFUL CAR.....
> The door panels are finished in Coro style, but are in red/black, which
> is really peculiar.
Not really. Up close, they look almost brand new if I remember correctly.
IMHO, the person that did the partial resto got them from
SMS. They are very
good quality.
IMHO, this car has probably been 'flipped' a few times in the last 1+ years.
I have no evidence of that, but it's a 'gut' feeling...
Ron
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Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:06:47 -0700
From: eastern sierra Adj Services <esierraadj@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: THIS IS ONE STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFUL CAR.....
The only car-model carry-over, between 57 & 58 was that, at the end of
the 57 m.y., 1958 dashes (with their front-mounted rear view mirrors)
began to be installed.
The lower bumpers, between 1957 & '58 are different, as far as the
"teeth" spacings are concerned; in 1958, they're a lot closer-spaced,
and more outboard-located, than the 57 'teeth'.
There are a lot of factory-literature
misrepresentations, regarding 1957
teeth; usually, a Royal is shown, wearing the teeth
but, there is even a Dodge News monthly-owner magazine, showing a 2-tone
blue CRL 4-dr that appears not to have any teeth, on it.
The most (in-)famous "toothy"-Royal photos are a series of BxW
very-early-promotional shots, showing an obviously 3-tone schemed
"Royal" 2-dr HT, which has CRL fin-trim, 1956 carpeting, and very-rough
promo-trim-pieces, like the air cleaner and radiator, AND lower bumper
grille teeth.
Neil Vedder
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Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:32:41 +0200
From: Jim Hoekendijk <57_Super_D-500@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] THIS IS ONE STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFUL CAR.....
To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Ahah!
Could this
possibly mean that one could also have a late '57 Coro with teeth
or Custom without? Like we already know late '57s had 58 dash.
But then again, wouldn't do me any good. My '57 is assembled October '56. An
early one.
Jim, The Netherlands.
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Aan: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Onderwerp: Re: [FWDLK] THIS IS ONE STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFUL CAR.....
Ahhhh, Ye of little......KNOWLEDGE.
(That's OK, that's why I/we are here!)
I deciphered this car's Paint/Trim plate, over on the FWDLK's website,
when it was discussed, there.
However, in 1958, Grille 'teeth' ("vertical bars", as they were called,
in '58) WERE optionally available on each and every Dodge model (as
opposed to 1957, when they were only installed on Custom Royals &
on
Custom Sierra wagons)..
So, 'you' can have a 1958 Custom Royal Super D500 convertible, without
the 'teeth', and/or 'you' could have a 1958 Coronet 6-cylinder 2-dr
sedan, WITH grille teeth.
Neil Vedder
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Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 19:25:33 -0400
From: xm2cars <xm2cars@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: THIS IS ONE STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFUL CAR.....
I
remember back in '57 when my dad and I went to the local Dodge dealer in
Indiana to order his new car (Coronet D500 2dr h/t) that the salesman asked
if he wanted the "bumper guards" - referring to the "teeth" in the front and
the two on the rear bumper. He did order them and our Coronet came so
equipped along with the other options as I recall (exterior mirrors, AM
radio and a make up/map mirror on the visor)! The car was a two tone green
and white with a matching vinyl interior. When I got to borrow the car there
were few if any of my friends who could beat me in a drag as long as I kept
the rear tires from burning - it used to drive my best friend who drove his
dad's '55 Olds Super 88 absolutely nuts!!
Brian
----- Original Message -----
From: "eastern sierra Adj Services"
To:
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] THIS IS ONE STUNNINGLY
BEAUTIFUL CAR.....
> The only car-model carry-over, between 57 & 58 was that, at the end of
> the 57 m.y., 1958 dashes (with their front-mounted rear view mirrors)
> began to be installed.
>
> The lower bumpers, between 1957 & '58 are different, as far as the
> "teeth" spacings are concerned; in 1958, they're a lot closer-spaced,
> and more outboard-located, than the 57 'teeth'.
>
> There are a lot of factory-literature misrepresentations, regarding 1957
> teeth; usually, a Royal is shown, wearing the teeth
> but, there is even a Dodge News monthly-owner magazine, showing a 2-tone
> blue CRL 4-dr that appears not to have any teeth, on it.
>
> The most (in-)famous "toothy"-Royal photos are a series of BxW
> very-early-promotional shots, showing an obviously 3-tone schemed
> "Royal" 2-dr HT, which has CRL fin-trim, 1956 carpeting, and very-rough
>
promo-trim-pieces, like the air cleaner and radiator, AND lower bumper
> grille teeth.
>
> Neil Vedder
>
>
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Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 19:18:41 -0700
From: eastern sierra Adj Services <esierraadj@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: THIS IS ONE STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFUL CAR.....
Brian; your car was a one-of-none ; the selling dealer could have
swapped-out the lower bumpers, after the car arrived, perhaps after the
order was placed, & the dealership was informed that those 'teeth' were
not availabe on anything
other than the CRL's & CSierra wagons.
One of the axioms, in MoPar research is :"never-say-never" ;
mistakes/changes were effected, either intentionally, or accidentally,
with some regularity.
Without having some-sort of Higher-Up contacts, at the factory, Royal
convertibles
and other anomolies, like Custom Royal fin-trim, were not possible to be
ordered
directly, from the factory.
Are you certain that the car was a '57, and not a 1958 Coronet?
Neil Vedder
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Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 19:25:33 -0400
From: xm2cars <xm2cars@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] THIS IS ONE STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFUL CAR.....
To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
I remember back in '57 when my dad and I went to the local Dodge dealer in
Indiana to order his new car (Coronet D500 2dr h/t) that the salesman asked
if he wanted the "bumper guards" - referring to the "teeth" in the front and
the two on the rear bumper. He did order them and our Coronet came so
equipped along with the other options as I recall (exterior mirrors, AM
radio and a make up/map mirror on the visor)! The car was a two tone green
and white with a matching vinyl interior. When I got to borrow the car there
were few if any of my friends who could beat me in a drag as long as I kept
the rear tires from burning - it used to drive my best friend who drove his
dad's '55 Olds Super 88 absolutely nuts!!
Brian
----- Original Message -----
From: "eastern sierra Adj Services"
To:
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] THIS IS ONE STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFUL CAR.....
> The only car-model carry-over, between
57 & 58 was that, at the end of
> the 57 m.y., 1958 dashes (with their front-mounted rear view mirrors)
> began to be installed.
>
> The lower bumpers, between 1957 & '58 are different, as far as the
> "teeth" spacings are concerned; in 1958, they're a lot closer-spaced,
> and more outboard-located, than the 57 'teeth'.
>
> There are a lot of factory-literature misrepresentations, regarding 1957
> teeth; usually, a Royal is shown, wearing the teeth
> but, there is even a Dodge News monthly-owner magazine, showing a 2-tone
> blue CRL 4-dr that appears not to have any teeth, on it.
>
> The most (in-)famous "toothy"-Royal photos are a series of BxW
> very-early-promotional shots, showing an obviously 3-tone schemed
> "Royal" 2-dr HT, which has CRL fin-trim, 1956 carpeting, and very-rough
> promo-trim-pieces, like the air cleaner and radiator, AND lower bumper
> grille
teeth.
>
> Neil Vedder
>
>
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