Re: [FWDLK] '57, '58 Dodge production

[eastern sierra Adj Services <esierraadj@xxxxxxxxx>]

Ray , who was the man who was killed, and when was he killed?

I have (big deal) no records/documentation of any particular factory
support or involvement in  stock car racing, during the 1957 season.

For the Daytona Speed weeks, Dodge sold three cars to two privateers,
and to Norm Thatcher (who never actually raced/campaigned his car, for
unknown reason(s), at Daytona).

That Thatcher car, too, seems to have fallen off the face of the earth,
after Daytona. Norm Died around 1973 (IIRC).

 Norm's was a sedan; the other two were hardtops.

The factory did NOT provide any assistance to these three cars, at
Daytona, and no 57 Dodges appeared in the Beach races, or vany other 57
season races (according to The History of Stock Car Racing).

Among the many things that I don't understand, is how/why Dodge (& CHRY)
did nothing to supply more D501's, or racing-support, etcetc between
JAN/FEB (for the lame Speed Week's effort) and late MAR, when the first
"official" D501's were built and sold.

Dodge even SOLD its first D501 to Kiekaefer, insead of 'trading' it to
him, for marketing/racing research, etc...

Neil Vedder


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• From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
• Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:23:27 -0500

AIR, one of K's drivers was killed and he quit racing then. may have been one of the Flock Bros.

And the Chrysler factory was VERY involved with his racing.
Ray


On Oct 30, 2007, at 11:11 PM, eastern sierra Adj Services wrote:

I've often wondered about how/why no other individuals came forward to
campaign Mopes, during the 57 season, given K.'s successes in prior
years.

Maybe F.&C. WERE supplying parts/equipment/info freely to racing teams;
it's too bad CHRY never decided to promote racing
because it certainly COULD have done so.

Can you imagine Exner & Iaccoccoaoa working together with Smokey Yunick,
with their  designing/ marketing/racing expertise???????

BTW: Smokey is/was my idol, & he worked as an independent contractor-
consultant to both Gee-em, & Furd, but, never with/for Chryco.

Besides opwning "The Best Damn Garage In Town", his motto was :"They
never said you Couldn't " ...do something.

Neil Vedder


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From: Paul Holmgren <PAULHOLM@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: October 30, 2007 10:57:07 PM CDT
To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] '57, '58 Dodge production
Reply-To: PAULHOLM@xxxxxxxxxxxxx


RE: Chrysler and the AAA/NASCAR 1957 season, I am not well versed
on this topic so sometimes I know enough to avoid hoof-n-mouth,
and this be one of those.  (Whew)

There are others much better informed about this aspect of
Chrysler's history.

I do feel that many of the elements were there had someone wished
to successfully champaign a 300 or the Dodge's in 1957.  Many
progressive ideas about what it would take to compete were
apparently there had there been the $$ to do it on the tracks.

Personally somehow I got the impression that there was a bit of
"WAY behind the scenes' wrangling going on about the rampant
success the 300's had in 55 and 56. There was no way the 300's
represented the 'common man's car. I seem to recall that at least
one of the records set took decades to be broken, and only after
they added so many races to the season that it became just a
question of when, not if.

and thats all I'll pontificate about openly this late nite,
(trying to limit the slings and arrows pointed my way :-)  )

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