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- From: Jan & Roger van Hoy <vanhilla@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:28:38 -0800
Oh, my head! So many unsubstantiated claims, so much
guesswork...
Why do you think they built a D500-1 in 1956? It wasn't
for gramma to get her groceries. They were made to race.
Then the next year the factories didn't [openly] support
racing.
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I don't think that the D500-1 was not so much
dis-allowed in Stock
class, as much as it was not competitive, with a
single 4-bbl carb (IF that really was a criteria, for "stock" class, and
with its exhaust manifolds [ditto],
What I read was that "stock class" was for single carbs.
So if you have multiple carbs you're out. Doesn't matter if you had 500 HP
at the wheels. So now you're challenging that there was such a rule?
Based on what?
in relation to its over-rated HP /
Chrysler's admittedly OVER-estimating gross HP in the
1950's
When the 1956 Chrysler 300B with 10.1:1 compression cranked
out over 1 HP per cubic inch, you really think if that was inflated the
competition wouldn't have noticed? Plus they were available from the
factory with rear end ratios from 3.08:1 to 6.17:1, and 3" dual
exhausts.
versus what it was really producing at the
rear wheels, and in relation to its actual weight.
Says who? You have one set of
test results by a magazine on one car.
Tim; some of us who know of the laws of Physics,
Now that's just plain mean-spirited. Plus who suspended
the laws of physics? The claim was that a D500-1 race car was good at
racing... is that so unbelievable? You think the wind-catcher sun visor
and deeply hooded headlights on the '57's were aerodynamic?
IF a 1956 Dodge accomplished this feat (close-to, or under
15
seconds/90+ MPH) it would be incumbent to produce the
specific
alterations which were made to the OEM standards, which allowed such
a result to occur, and, to cease (NOT you; "other
people")
referring/implying that the accomplishment was obtained by
anything
other than a highly-modified unique race car,
Incumbent upon whom? You're the one who is
claiming/insisting/referring/implying that some D500-1's were highly
modified.
and not by any particular OEM vehicle (like the cars @ Daytona, which
WERE as blue-printed as possible, and , and that saw
factory-driver/engineer Danny Eame's car's Standing Mile time get bettered
by a non-factory tuned (that's being gracious) 1957 Dodge, by 3
MPH.
The OEM ...........1956 D500-1's Standing Mile Daytona timing would
not have placed within the top (at least) 5 finishers, in 1957 . Daytona
records represent as-FAIR-of- results, as possible,
for head-to-head OEM......competition, in the 1950's .
Not sure about D500-1's at Daytona, but Plymouth had a hard
time with the new Fury. It couldn't run stock in Daytona Speed Weeks
because it hadn't been in production for 90 days, so it ran FX, but there wasn't
time to get all the allowable mods onto it. Then a fuel malfunction
dropped it out of competition.
This is getting to be like a computer game in a slide rule
world, and frankly is getting a bit too personal. Nothing is being proved
or going to be proven by these exercises.
--Roger van Hoy, Washougal, WA, '55 DeSoto, '58 DeSoto, '56
Plymouth, '66 Plymouth, '41 Dodge
0-60 times of about... fifteen minutes
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