Hi, Mark; no hurt-puppies; only my faith and wallet, in regards to those
car parts I shipped.
I was passing-along a message from Ron Mog, whose faith had been hurt
about that idler arm bushing
mis-communication, as part of my message to the List.
I/we caravaned to Tulsa with Andrew/Mark. As I reported, I never got any
email response from them
(due to internet screw-ups, as was confirmed by Dave S. ) regarding the
promised pay-back on that
idler arm deal (and, yeah, money-payment was not part of the 'deal', at
Ron's garage).
A truly great time was had by all, in Tulsa.
I just wish that more List members could have been able to make it to
Tulsa!!
Mark H wrote:
/I feel I must make some sort of statement here. I have no idea what
transpired between Andrew, Mark, and Neil, but I do want to speak up
on behalf of Andrew and Mark. /
//
/In Tulsa, I had just parked Mr. Finzzz at the indoor show, and was
setting up my display and beginning to clean the dirt, etc off from
the long trip from Oregon, when these two guys came up and started
complimenting the car. Not wanting to be rude, even though I was
busy, I engaged them in conversation, as they were obviously forward
look fans, to say the least. Very shortly, I needed help moving some
things, and before you knew it, these two were doing more cleaning,
moving, polishing, etc, than I was!!/
//
/They seemed to just enjoy being around, in this case, another 1957
Plymouth. The conversation was great, as was the company, and my
wife, father, and I spent a good amount of time with Mark and Andrew,
as well as Colin and many other Mopar fans from down under during our
time in Tulsa. A thank you from me to them is in order for their
company and time and assistance - THANK YOU!/
//
/It seems they don't post much to the list, and neither do I. Because
of this, I just felt it was appropriate for me to be someone who can
attest to the apparent good nature of these two gentlemen. I'm sure,
as Dave stated, that the miscommunication is probably due to a
technological problem, rather than a personal one. /
//
/Neil, you're a good guy, too, in my book. So take that hurt puppy
dog look off your face!!/
//
/Mark J. Hash/
/1957 Plymouth Fury/
/Sutherlin, OR/
*/Andrew Sharpe <mopar58@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>/* wrote:
Dear list members,
I am writing in response to the recent posting from Neil
Vedder casting unfavorable comments regarding the character of two
fellow list members. The list members in question are myself, Andrew
Sharpe and my Tulsa traveling companion Mark Sandwith from Ballarat,
Australia. Since we have nothing to hide and have done absolutely
nothing wrong, you are all welcome to know who we are.
Ron Mog's replacement idler-arm bush has been in my possession
for some time [Neil now has a picture of this item to ease his mind].
The replacement bush will be posted to Ron as was always intended,
along
with some specific gifts from our US trip and an enlarged print of
our
cars on their Tulsa pilgrimage as a "thank you" for the warm
welcome and
assistance Mark and I received from Ron and his wife. I might also
add
that full payment was offered to Ron upon the installation if the
idler
bush in question.
Contrary to Neil's statement, I personally have received not a
single email from him regarding the issue at hand, if I had, the
matter
would have been promptly dealt with. I find his comments to be
unfounded and based on assumption and speculation more than anything
else. I have emailed Neil privately to explain the situation and
he is
now fully aware of his error in judgment. Neil is planing to
contact the
FL list to retract his statement and hopefully apologize.
Wishing all list members and their loved ones a Happy Christmas
and safe
New Year.
Regards,
Andrew in Australia
> I apologize for this long message, and anyone bored or offended
by it
> may delete it.
>
> My story involves the following life-lessons, which we all
should be
> generally aware of, but which
> never hurts to reiterate, in case we ever decide to do anyone
else a
> financial favor:
>
> 1) Military: Never volunteer
>
> 2) Civilian: No good deed goes un-punished
>
> 3) Gambler: Never wager/risk more than you can afford to lose
>
> 4) Investor: Never invest/risk more than you can afford to lose
>
> 5) Negotiator: Never bargain where your highest outcome is a no-win
> situation
>
> 6) Conservative: You get what you deserve ; blame the victim ;
> (almost) no one is trustworthy
>
> 7) Liberal: Forgive-and-forget ; stay on the high-ground ;
(almost) no
> one is not trustworthy
>
> 8) Cynic: Never forget the price of everything, value does not
matter
> ; what's-in-it-for-ME ?
>
> 9) Ebayer: Never ship anything out of the U.S.
>
> 10) Faux News: We report, you decide
>
> 11) Me: Live and learn
>
> I'm not going to name-names, here, but I'll be glad to provide
them,
> on a PM basis.
>
> Back in June, my friend Ron Mog, who made the pilgrimage to Tulsa,
> allowed a couple
> "tourists", who were going-on , to Tulsa, too, to use his home
> garage's hydraulic lift, to service their
> newly-bought 1961 Newport. Ron provided grease/lube and tools, but
> also an idler-arm rebuilding
> kit (which service the car really needed).
>
> It was agreed that the 2 men would send Ron another 'kit', after
they
> returned home.
>
> Never happened.
>
> I PM'ed 'them' several times (Ron having no confuser), but never
got
> any response ; the last time, Ron had asked me to try to
> get a $20.00 bill out of them, in the mail.
>
> Never happened.
>
> Now, the reason that I'm writing all this, is merely this: on
11/13/07
> I paid $422.12 for an actual UPS billing,
> that I voluntarily paid, and for which I expected full
reimbursement,
> on a package of FWDLK parts which
> was sent to a Foreign Country.
>
> I had never shipped anything large, to another country, before, by
> UPS, or USPS (#9, above)
>
> I have no financial profit in this transaction. ( #2, and #3/#5)
>
> Before this occurrence, I had volunteered (#1; and I was in the
Navy)
> to help the individual make an order
> thru Gary Goers, which, for me, has not been a problem. I even
> volunteered to PAY Gary (#1 & #3/#5)
> for the parts, and hope to receive reimbursement for that
expense (#7)
> at a later date. I do not know if
> Gary has been paid, as the shipping matter hit-the-fan before I
could
> write a check to Gary. I am prepared
> to pay Gary, if necessary, as it was my order to him (#4 ).
>
> The beneficiary of this matter is, of course, the parts recipient,
> who, today tried to make himself the victim
> (#6) by saying that I had failed to inspect the trunk panels(about
> which I had NO involvement), as well
> as saying that I "should have known that the USPS would be cheaper"
> to send the stuff, overseas, than
> "good old(?)" UPS.
>
> Now, probably no one here has had experience with shipping via UPS,
> but, they are an international
> package shipping business.
>
> Business competition being what it is, and (in part) because I HAVE
> routinely used UPS to
> ship packages, and Gary Goers' parts-stash was sent via UPS, and
the
> trunk-stuff was sent Fed Ex Ground
> (iirc) to me (for incorporation with Gary's stuff, for a 1-package
> deal ; what-a-guy) , I put the
> stuff together & took it to UPS depot, waited in line, got to the
> counter, and the nice lady, there, said :
> "Oooh, this is going to be expensive".
>
> As I am not poor, but not rich, and as I knew of no other cheaper
> means to ship the package (weight:
> 37 lbs, total) , I gulped and gave the lady my credit card.
>
> Altho I have not done so, I do know of several persons who have
> shipped entire cars across the pond
> and I know that international shipping is not cheap. That
knowledge,
> as much as anything (and the hope
> of getting reimbursed ; #7) persuaded me to finalize this
dope-deal,
> which, again, I had no financial
> profit, what-so-ever, in contributing-to
>
> So, per #10, and #6, above, I am NOT looking for any sympathy, or
> (much) commiseration (#6, after-all!),
> but I do want to state, for the possible benefit of anyone who
might
> be interested in doing anyone else a good-faith
> good-samaritan , but possibly-flawed, (financial) favor, please see
> #8, and all the other Life Lessons,
> before deciding what to do.
>
> So, what have we learned, today?
>
> Ron Mog graciously allows his personal property to be used, and
gets
> stiffed, over $20.00 retail value of
> a idler-arm rebuilding kit.
>
> And I, not knowing any better, rely on UPS to tell me what it
wants to
> ship a 37 lb package overseas, and
> I get stiffed, for $422.12 .
>
> I have no recourse, except for the writing of this message, but, I
> am willing to abide by #11, above.
>
>
> Neil Vedder
>
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