Re: [FWDLK] 57 Custom Royal Lancer D500 badging

Dave,

Perhaps I did not make it clear on my explanation, My Powerflite was wound tight 5000 RPM's at 50 feet from the end of the quarter mile, the shift into drive was like a kick in the ass with a big surge forward over the finish line.

The Powerflite was always in it's power range from 30 MPH to 80 MPH with a super push into drive a 5000 RPM's. Also my 56 was torque up against the brake to spin the tires up to 30 MPH when the light went green

It is a fact that a 2 bbl carb is faster off the starting line for the first 20 feet then a 4 bbl carb, and a 4 bbl carb is faster then dual carbs for the first 20 feet from the starting line.

( 20 feet off the line in drag racing is about one car length)

Dave, on paper what you say makes sense, but my opinion is the lower first gear ratio should be quicker but the dual carbs from a dead stop should be quicker but instead they were neutralized by the fact that the 2/4 bbl dumped enough gas to slow the car off the line. When racing a 3 speed torqueflite they would start closing the gap on my 56 that was ahead of them, but before they could close the gap between us they would shift into second gear which took them out of their power range and they would drop back when in second gear while my 2 speed powerflight was still in its full power range.

I hung out with guys with 56,57, 58 Fury's and Golden commando. My best friend Frank Lewis had a 57 Fury 318 and really want to beat my 56. One day he asked me what I would do if I had a 57 Fury to make it faster? I told him one four barrow carburetor and a 391-1 rear end gears. Well later I was sorry that I gave him that advise-------he went to one 4 bbl and 391-1 gears and I had a hell of a time beating him. He would cross the 1/4 mile finish line right ahead of my rear bumper. If I was slow on the starting line he could jump me and beat me.

My average time in the quarter mile was 15.50 seconds, later I went with the factory optional package of dual four carbs, factory hotter cam, 391-1 rear gears, wider tires and traction bars and turned in my best time of 14.58 seconds.------( and still stock and Powerflite)

Ron

In a message dated 9/4/2015 3:21:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dhomstad@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:

Ron,

The 56 Mopars had 15 inch wheels and the 57s had 14 inch wheels. With the rear ratios you mentioned, the engine rpm in high gear should be close enough as to make no difference.

With these gears, these Mopars would need to be moving at nearly 120 mph at the end of a 1/4 mile to be near the engine rpm red line of about 5000 rpm and wound tight. This mph needs a car capable of 12 second 1/4s. Ain't no way a stock 56/57 Mopar is going to get there that fast.

The advantage 57s had was a much lower first gear in a TorqueFlite.
The advantage 56s had was 400 lbs less weight.

I'd place my money on a 56 D500 with a TorqueFlite.

Dave Homstad
56 Dodge D500/ TorqueFlite

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From: "Ron Swartley" <0000109753cb24f9-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: [FWDLK] 57 Custom Royal Lancer D500 badging

Dan,

The powerflite 2 speed automatic D 500 in 56 has 354-1 or 373-1 rear end gears stock and the 57 D 500 with Toqureflite 3 speed came with a 331- 1 rear end gears. In a quarter mile that makes a big difference. I raced both for more than 20 years.. Powerflite 2 speeds were wound tight at the end of the quarter mile and Toqureflites are not peaked out with stock rears.

Ron Allyn Swartley

Hi Daniel:

I'll have to agree with Gary. Back in June 1956, I purchased a new D-500 with the Coronet 2-door body. Had the 315 Hemi and a single carb. Weight with a full tank of gas was 3685 lbs. When the '57 D-500's came out, one of the dealer's salesmen challenged me to a race. From a dead start, we were even for about 5 feet and from then on it was my race! He also had a 2-door model with the 325 hemi and a sinlge carb. I went into the Air Force in May of 1957 and the only car that ever beat me until then was a tri-power Pontiac and that was by only a length or two in 0.6 miles.

Dan Reitz

Bell Canyon, CA

In a message dated 9/3/2015 2:31:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, glpavlovich@xxxxxxx writes:

Daniel,

I place my "bet" on the lighter chassis; '57 Firesweep, if it is indeed
lighter.
Gary Pavlovich
56 Plymouth w/Poly 318 Stroker

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Davids
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 11:22 PM
To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [FWDLK] 57 Custom Royal Lancer D500 badging

Fellow Forward Lookers,

I’m currently doing a bit of overdue tuning and sprucing up the engine
compartment of my 1957 CRL.
My example is two-tone green with the D500 engine option (325 hemi, block
stamped KD500).

I have a question about the badge on the trunk lid of this year, model, and
engine option.
Should it not have a red and black “500” emblem in place of the helmeted
lancer with spear?

The brochures for this year Dodge are pretty short on explanation of option
packages.

Cheers from wet and soggy Seattle — a nice change from 10 weeks of straight
sunshine (not normal),

Dan Davids

P.S. Once we get her running again, we plan to do a runoff of sorts with my
57 Firesweep, which as the 325 poly.
The numbers for horsepower and torque would say the CRL is quicker, but my
son thinks the lighter weight (lower trim) Firesweep will prevail. Bets?

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