Hello: All Especially Dave & Fern, I read and hear your push button message clearly and I agree what you say is correct, but only correct for production of trucks and automobiles. Many years ago I discovered that Chrysler used big block aluminum 727 transmissions with cable operated and with trans brake tail piece in a bunch of non road machines. Such as farm combines, city road sweepers, and such. I have over the years sourced more than ten this way. I still have two unused. Also while push button activation ended with 1965 production, the 1966 aluminum 727 still had cable shift and works well with push buttons. And the aluminum tail shaft piece with the trans brake can be swapped to the later aluminum 727. Up until this project most of my work has has been to refit my MoPars with as close stock as was possible or at least make then appear stock. So this 440/727 into a 1956 dodge wagon is a bit of a change. That is why I asked in an earlier email about putting an aluminum 727 with trans brake behind the 440 and keeping the '56 rear, but many said the change out the complete drive train. This would then lead to a cable 1966 aluminum 727 for use with the button box as I would not need the trans brake. ...My bad as I omitted the fact that I had a later 727 with a trans brake.... I'll do my best to be clearer from now on. Everyone is giving really great information, which helps with all the decisions, Just got to love all the combined knowlage. George
On Monday, August 1, 2016 12:05 PM, Fern Rivard <crc@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Please note that they did NOT use push buttons in
1965.
Fern with 1965 300L ht.
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 3:48 AM
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Fw: Combining incomplet
projects
George,
Only the 1962 727 for B engines (includes 440) has the rear brake drum.
Up to 1965, 727s used push button cables. For more info on a 727 into a
56 Dodge, see my web page at:
http://webpages.charter.net/dhomstad/TransmissionFrame1Source1.htm
Dave Homstad 56 Dodge D500
----------------------------------------- From: "George McCollam"
<00000386f9f13ba3-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: Cc: Sent:
Sat, 30 Jul 2016 17:09:23 +0000 Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Fw: Combining incomplet
projects
Hello: All
I want to thank everyone for the
responses.
I am going to move forward on the
project, so it looks as if there will be a 440/727, manual steering, very
stock outward appearance, upgraded radiator don't know about interior yet.
So, now my choice is 727 trans: Do I use
the one already attached to the 440 and change out the rear axle assembly
to get an emergency brake? Or do I use a 727 I have that has the drum trans
brake tail piece and keep the '56 rear?
Also the paint has a nice patina, not
show Quality... so I found a product that claims to be able to cover any patina
and protect from further degrade... What to do you think??? I think
Eastwood sells it.
George
On Thursday,
July 28, 2016 8:51 PM, Gary Pavlovich <glpavlovich@xxxxxxx>
wrote:
Good information Dave. I can also attest that my manual steering 56
Plymouth is extremely easy to steer with the 277 V8. The Poly (approx.
611lbs.) weighs in a bit less than the 440 but not enough to be concerned with
changing suspension components...and the the alum. case 727 with convertor is
a lot less than the cast iron Powerflite.
Gary Pavlovich
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Fw: Combining incomplet projects
George,
Because of the large diameter 56 Dodge steering wheel and the steering
gear box ratio, my 56 Dodge steers very easy without power steering. At any
speed over 2 mph it is very easy steering. When I installed a 727 into
my Dodge behind the original Dodge Hemi, I did not have to relocate the trans
crossmember. The length from the front of the trans to the trans mount
is the same on a 727 as a PowerFlight, however I think manual trans are
different. Dave Homstad
----------------------------------------- From: "George McCollam"
<00000386f9f13ba3-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: Cc: Sent:
Wed, 27 Jul 2016 15:52:19 +0000 Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Fw: Combining
incomplet projects
Hello: All
Phillip asked if there
would be a problem adding power steering because of the manual trans.
My thought is no...as I
would be removing the manual trans to make way for the 440/727. Now if I put
in a Poly 318 as was suggested, I still would think there would be no problem.
It is my understanding that all coxial power steering units were identical no
matter what platform they were put in. Please advise if this is wrong.
So far most seem to like
the fit, (installing the 440/727) I'm warming up to it. I really wanted to put
the baby Hemi in but the cost is heavy and funds need to go to committed
project (eg, 56 Crown Imperial Limousine) that is almost done.
It is really great to
have knowlagable people to bounce ides off.
I have a bare empty 56
wagon frame that I will use to pre fit motor mounts and the trans mount. so
that should help things go faster.
So since I have a donner
coxial steering shaft do I install it or stay with manual steering??? I think
I'm becoming a wimp as the idea of power steering sounds better....
Thanks George
On Wednesday,
July 27, 2016 10:33 AM, Philip Maniatty <pmaniatty@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Would there be a problem adding power steering, considering that
your Dodge has a three speed manual transmission?
From: George McCollam
<00000386f9f13ba3-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To:
L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 4:06 PM
Subject:
[FWDLK] Fw: Combining incomplet projects
On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 4:00
PM, George McCollam <mccollamge@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello: All
I'm finally
getting to the spring cleaning of my garage. I find that I have several
things from several different projects that I will never complete. So,
what like to bounce off all of you is the idea of combining some of these
diverse project parts into one project.
I have a 440
& 727 unit, and I have a 56 Dodge station wagon complete but without
the baby Hemi.
What if I
combine the two???..... Good Idea...Bad Idea???
I am more of
a original restorer guy than a mix and match builder. But I do have these
parts and I do need a driver . What is the down side and problems in
fitting the 440 into the 56???
I won't get
mad if anyone thinks it's a bad idea, and I won't get real happy if anyone
thinks it's a good idea because it will be a lot of work.
FYI, The
things that I am short on are time and money, I do have a lot of parts.
The 56 Dodge wagon is a 4 door, manual steering 3 speed standard over
drive trans, and in very nice condition but for paint, interior is
original and in very use able condition. I do also have a coaxial power
steering unit for it if needed.
So, the end
result might be a 56 Dodge wagon very stock looking with a mild 440 and
727 for just running around to get parts, and groceries.
Thanks in
advance for any comments.
George
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