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There are 12 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. AAJ Disc Conversion - Anybody Driving One?
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
2. Re: 413 Pistons - Where?
From: "Richard Osborne" <richard@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
3. Brakes, Again
From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxxx>
4. History of our 61 300G
From: "Henry Hopkins" <hhrp@xxxxxxxxxxx>
5. RE: stopping distances
From: "JONES,DOUG (A-USA,ex3)" <doug_jones@xxxxxxxxxxx>
6. Re: 413 Pistons - Where?
From: Sean Ellis <slim724@xxxxxxxxx>
7. Re: AAJ Disc Conversion - Anybody Driving One?
From: G Barker <gbarker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
8. Re: Coker 235/75R14 Radial Availability
From: Anthony Rinaldi <awrdoc@xxxxxxxxx>
9. Spindles, brake conversions
From: "JONES,DOUG (A-USA,ex3)" <doug_jones@xxxxxxxxxxx>
10. Re: Spindles, brake conversions
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
11. Re: Spindles, brake conversions
From: "The Holmgren's" <paulholm@xxxxxxxx>
12. recent trends suggest that mobile
From: Louis O'Neill <loneill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:19:07 -0500
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: AAJ Disc Conversion - Anybody Driving One?
The AAJ company disc brake conversions for '49-62 Mopars have been around
for maybe a year now. Allows use of 14" wheels when original. Anyone in
this club install one of these conversion kits? And what are your results
and conclusions?
AAJ web site is
http://www.geocities.com/aajbrakes/
I receive club mail in digest form and with all the included original
messages in new posts with the new server, its gotten VERY hard to read. If
someone has already commented on my questions, please excuse this post.
Wayne
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:18:20 -0400
From: "Richard Osborne" <richard@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 413 Pistons - Where?
I was having this discussion last week. 30 over pistons are becomming difficult to find.
When the machine shop called me to let me know the short block was complete for my G, he said "I am sorry about the cost of the pistons, we had a hell of time finding them."
I just pulled my invoice and it appears they put Federal Mogul part number 238 P. This is all that was written on my invoice so I don't know if there is more to the part number. They charged me $391.28 for the 8 pistons.
Best regards,
Richard Osborne
>>> Chuck McGill <chuxter@xxxxxxxxxx> 10/11/01 12:57AM >>>
Hi Gang,
I believe I know the answer to this question but I promised my friend
that I would check . His New Yorker is in need of 413 pistons, 30 over.
Where might I direct him to purchase them.
Hoping they are not made of unobtainium ;-)
Chuck
'62 300H
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:43:41 -0400
From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Brakes, Again
Hi everyone,
Well it's time for me to put my 2 cents worth in. I just had my G out for a good ride last night, and while I was out I was thinking of all these arguments about the brakes being "inadequate". I was doing some relatively fast driving on some back roads in the 50-70 mph range. The performance of the brakes (on my car anyway) is certainly more than adequate. They stop straight and smooth, with little pedal effort. How many times do you really need to stop from 100 mph or more. If you are doing that many panic stops in a row from high speed, maybe you need to address your driving style. As far as I'm concerned, anyone doing "140" on anything but a race track is just plain reckless. Around here on the east coast going that fast in a Viper would be dangerous with all the traffic. As far as 63 and up Chrysler brakes are concerned, the J's and ram K's had 11 by 3 brakes all around. My 66 Imperial has the exact same braking system minus the remote booster. It also stops straight and smooth, and the brake system was rebuilt 14 years ago! If a 300 which weighs about 1000 lbs. less than my loaded Imperial can't stop adequately, there is something wrong with your brakes. I for one will go with the KYB's, springs, and alignment, and leave the brakes stock. Don't put them down as "inadequate" just because you drive a modern car with disc brakes, and the old 300 doesn't stop the same.
300ly,
Don
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:30:12 -0700
From: "Henry Hopkins" <hhrp@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: History of our 61 300G
We are just back from the Palm Springs Meet at which we had such a good time. The G we were hauling back from George Riehl's home in Detroit where we stored it after purchasing it at Kruse-Auburn was well received. Turns out, as suggested, it is the vehicle restored by Rick Tibben, later sold to a George Barger, then to Carl Slapshak, and then to a dealer in South Carolina named Cooper who put it up for auction this past Labor Day where we happened to be. Thanks to George and Eleanor for the history.
So that's the story for now.
Henry Hopkins/Richard Palmer, Berkeley, CA
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:21:27 -0600
From: "JONES,DOUG (A-USA,ex3)" <doug_jones@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: stopping distances
Gents,
A quick question ... I also dug into my current mags (C & D mostly) trying
to establish current stopping distance performance, but the measure is 70 to
0, not 60 to 0. Where are you guys getting modern 60 to 0 distances?
Cheers,
Doug
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hertog [mailto:crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 8:59 PM
To: Ron Waters; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [Chrysler300] stopping distances
Hi Ron,
Good question, about stopping distances. A few months back I went thru some
period car magazines and charted stopping distances for our cars, as
reported by Car Life, Road and Track, HotRod, etc. ; sixty-to-zero type of
stuff. I then compared to stopping distances for current cars as reported
in same magazines road tests.
I was VERY surprised to see that there was little or no difference between
the two! I'm not prepared to start the research process all over again,
you'll have to take my word as to the results, or do your own homework.
To be fair, I also remember the comments from these same period magazines,
describing the brakes as inadequate, prone to fade, not on par with the rest
of the cars' performance, etc .; so it seems that while the 300's did have
adequate zero-to-sixty stopping power, they somehow displeased the
magazine's testers.
It appears possible that a Chrysler 300 with a good braking system will stop
in the same distance than a new, current, disc-brake and ABS equipped sedan.
At least, on a one-time basis. I doubt this performance could be repeated
when the drum brakes get hot. Of course, it can be argued that you only
need ONE good stop if you have to jam on the brakes in an emergency.
My point, if I have one, is that disc brakes just work more smoothly,
evenly, and reliably, especially after multiple use, especially after they
have seen some use. They don't need periodic shoe adjustement. I installed
discs on my 300L some 30,000 VERY HARD miles ago and, so far, same pads are
still on the car. I've never had to mess with the system in 30,000 miles.
I've never regretted installing them. But, as I stated earlier, this car is
a real driver, not an occasional weekend / fair weather ride.
Kevin, you are quite right with your comments, by the way. It is entirely
possible that if my beloved '62 300 Sport had not been disc-brake equipped
and such a blast to drive, I might have just left it home and driven my
Subaru Brat instead. Of course, had that been the case, I'd be dead right
now. The speeding SUV that broadsided me at 60+ mph didn't seem to care that
I was driving at 5 mph, or had disc brakes on my car.
John
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:18:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sean Ellis <slim724@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 413 Pistons - Where?
Hi Chuck,
http://rpmrons.com/cart/ChrysKits3.html#413
This guy offers them in a kit, or he will sell them
seperately at $52.17 a piece. They are Badger 9.7 to 1
pistons. The kits are for 413 59-65 pass. cars, not
Ram cars. Pistons are available in std., .20, .30,
.40, and .60 sizes. I've chatted with him for a few
minutes and he seems like a good guy, but I have not
done any business with him.
Sean
64 "K"
--- Chuck McGill <chuxter@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Gang,
>
> I believe I know the answer to this question but I
> promised my friend
> that I would check . His New Yorker is in need of
> 413 pistons, 30 over.
> Where might I direct him to purchase them.
>
> Hoping they are not made of unobtainium ;-)
>
> Chuck
> '62 300H
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:29:28 -0700
From: G Barker <gbarker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: AAJ Disc Conversion - Anybody Driving One?
I just finished installing there kit that I bought last year. The installation was very
easy, the only thing I added was an adjustable proportion valve I found a very small one
from Speedway that is designed to be hidden. Its about 2" long and 5/8" square and fits
in line with a adjustment knob on the top. Cost around $ 35.00. It will be awhile before
I get a chance to test drive it. The car is still under restoration.........Gary Barker
Wayne Graefen wrote:
> The AAJ company disc brake conversions for '49-62 Mopars have been around
> for maybe a year now. Allows use of 14" wheels when original. Anyone in
> this club install one of these conversion kits? And what are your results
> and conclusions?
>
> AAJ web site is
>
> http://www.geocities.com/aajbrakes/
>
> I receive club mail in digest form and with all the included original
> messages in new posts with the new server, its gotten VERY hard to read. If
> someone has already commented on my questions, please excuse this post.
>
> Wayne
>
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 18:47:36 -0400
From: Anthony Rinaldi <awrdoc@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Coker 235/75R14 Radial Availability
Hi to All,
I received an inquiry from a fellow member that was told by a Coker
distributor that tire availability for the 235/75R14 was Nov. 1. He was
concerned that the distributors would get the first supply in November and
that Club members and others that joined the list would be the last to get
supplied next year.
The sales manager, Mr. Allen Sturm, says that this is not true. Early 2002
is the first availability, to Coker themselves, for these tires and Coker
has extended the time to sign up for the "List" group discount until the end
of 2001. We are the people who drove them to make the tire available and we
will be getting the first shot.
His message to me was as follows:
"Hello Dr. Tony,
I apologize for the delay and would like to give you better news than what
the e-mail states, but it does appear that it could be first of the year
before this size will be available.
I will allow you to add to the list up to the end of the year if you have
additional members that would like to take advantage of the group discount.
Thanks again for your patience and be assured this project will reach
fruition. We are very excited about the consumer response regarding the
235/75x14 white wall.
We will keep you posted."
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:10:02 -0600
From: "JONES,DOUG (A-USA,ex3)" <doug_jones@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Spindles, brake conversions
Hi all,
Just got of the phone with AAJ Brakes. He is a very small business and is
expanding his product line as fast as he can. At this time, neither he nor
I know what the difference between a '62 and a '63-4 kit would be, other
than that it is probable that the spindles are different due to the Lockheed
brakes.
He said that he has heard that a '73 - '79 B body master cylinder (dual
circuit) supposedly will bolt right on to a 'forward look' MoPar. Can
anybody confirm that this is so?
If one of you has an interchange manual, you can help AAJ and the rest of us
out by determining which cars have the same spindle as a '62 Dodge 880 (the
kit he has now) and which have the same spindle as a '63-4 Chrysler. Better
yet would be a 'spindle roster' from '55 to '65, as this would show the
total number of kits needed to cover all these cars.
My understanding is that AAJ kits are non-destructive and the car can be
converted back to stock if this is desired later on. That would suit me
fine, as I would rather not do anything that cannot be undone.
300ly,
Doug
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Rinaldi [mailto:awrdoc@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 3:48 PM
To: Chrysler 300 Club
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Coker 235/75R14 Radial Availability
Hi to All,
I received an inquiry from a fellow member that was told by a Coker
distributor that tire availability for the 235/75R14 was Nov. 1. He was
concerned that the distributors would get the first supply in November and
that Club members and others that joined the list would be the last to get
supplied next year.
The sales manager, Mr. Allen Sturm, says that this is not true. Early 2002
is the first availability, to Coker themselves, for these tires and Coker
has extended the time to sign up for the "List" group discount until the end
of 2001. We are the people who drove them to make the tire available and we
will be getting the first shot.
His message to me was as follows:
"Hello Dr. Tony,
I apologize for the delay and would like to give you better news than what
the e-mail states, but it does appear that it could be first of the year
before this size will be available.
I will allow you to add to the list up to the end of the year if you have
additional members that would like to take advantage of the group discount.
Thanks again for your patience and be assured this project will reach
fruition. We are very excited about the consumer response regarding the
235/75x14 white wall.
We will keep you posted."
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:05:19 -0400
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Spindles, brake conversions
Hi Doug, and Roger at AAJ...
I do believe I can help somewhat. Let's forget about 55-56 Chryslers for now and work on '57 thru '65. I don't know enough about the C300's and 300B's . Their front end is in a group all by itself.
Going backwards, the '65 300 and 300L ( and later drum-equipped 300's) are the easiest to convert to disc brakes. No need for a kit. Just find a 70-71-72-73 Chrysler with front discs, pull the spindles and lower ball joints off together with the master cylinder, both brake lines down to the proportioning valve, and the valve itself. It's a bolt-on no-brainer . No need for a conversion kit for these cars, there's plenty of donor cars in junkyards that fit the bill.
1963 and 1964 use part number 2207031 spindle. The bolt pattern where backing plate and steering arm attaches to spindle is different from previous years. I don't think AAJ or anyone else makes a disc conversion for that particular spindle. The mounting bracket for the caliper would have to be different, due to different bolt pattern.
BUT - if you own a 63-64 Chrysler and want to use AAJ's kit, then all you have to do is replace the spindle and steering arm on your 63-64 Chrysler, using short wheelbase components from earlier years.
1957 thru 1962 Chryslers use TWO different versions of the SAME spindle. Therefore AAJ's kit should work equally well on either of the two, since the bolt pattern for backing plate / steering arm is the same. AAJ's bracket will mount to both.
What's the difference between the two versions ? Ball joint size... the top and bottom holes in the spindles that the ball joint stud goes into is larger on LONG WHEELBASE cars .
Long wheelbase cars use spindle #1670320. Short wheelbase cars use # 1671362 . Again, both of these spindles have the IDENTICAL 4-bolt pattern where the backing plate and steering arms attach. Therefore I'm pretty damn sure that Roger Thomason's disc conversion kit fits ANY Chrysler 1957 thru 1962. Period.
Now - if you own a '63 or '64 Chrysler and wish to use AAJ's disc conversion kit, you'll have to procure a pair of 1671362 spindles (and matching steering arms) from an earlier Chrysler short wheelbase car. Replace those, then install AAJ's kit, and you're all done.
What's a short wheelbase and a long wheelbase ? Oh, that gets complicated.
LONG WHEELBASE (126")
all 1957 Chrysler cars : Windsor C75-1, Saratoga C75-2, NewYorker C76 and 300.
1958 Chrysler: Saratoga LC2-M and NewYorker LC3-H and 300D, (except Windsor )
1959 Chrysler: Saratoga MC2-M and NewYorker MC3-H and 300E,(except Windsor )
1960 Chrysler: Saratoga PC2-M and NewYorker PC3-H and 300F, (except Windsor)
1961 Chrysler : New Yorker RC3-H and 300G RC4-P
1962 Chrysler : New Yorker SC3-H
SHORT WHEELBASE (122")
1958 Chrysler Windsor LC1-L
1959 Chrysler Windsor MC1-L
1960 Chrysler Windsor PC1-L
1961 Chrysler: Newport RC1-L and Windsor RC2-M
1962 Chrysler: Newport SC1-L and 300 SC2-M and 300H SC3-H
1963 and 1964 Chrysler : all models
Hope this helps...
John
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From: "JONES,DOUG (A-USA,ex3)" <doug_jones@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Hi all,
>
> Just got of the phone with AAJ Brakes. He is a very small business and is
> expanding his product line as fast as he can. At this time, neither he nor
> I know what the difference between a '62 and a '63-4 kit would be, other
> than that it is probable that the spindles are different due to the Lockheed
> brakes.
>
> He said that he has heard that a '73 - '79 B body master cylinder (dual
> circuit) supposedly will bolt right on to a 'forward look' MoPar. Can
> anybody confirm that this is so?
>
> If one of you has an interchange manual, you can help AAJ and the rest of us
> out by determining which cars have the same spindle as a '62 Dodge 880 (the
> kit he has now) and which have the same spindle as a '63-4 Chrysler. Better
> yet would be a 'spindle roster' from '55 to '65, as this would show the
> total number of kits needed to cover all these cars.
>
> My understanding is that AAJ kits are non-destructive and the car can be
> converted back to stock if this is desired later on. That would suit me
> fine, as I would rather not do anything that cannot be undone.
>
> 300ly,
> Doug
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:14:00 -0500
From: "The Holmgren's" <paulholm@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Spindles, brake conversions
"JONES,DOUG (A-USA,ex3)" wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Just got of the phone with AAJ Brakes. He is a very small business and is
> expanding his product line as fast as he can. At this time, neither he nor
> I know what the difference between a '62 and a '63-4 kit would be, other
> than that it is probable that the spindles are different due to the Lockheed
> brakes.
>
> He said that he has heard that a '73 - '79 B body master cylinder (dual
> circuit) supposedly will bolt right on to a 'forward look' MoPar. Can
> anybody confirm that this is so?
>
> If one of you has an interchange manual, you can help AAJ and the rest of us
> out by determining which cars have the same spindle as a '62 Dodge 880 (the
> kit he has now) and which have the same spindle as a '63-4 Chrysler. Better
> yet would be a 'spindle roster' from '55 to '65, as this would show the
> total number of kits needed to cover all these cars.
>
> My understanding is that AAJ kits are non-destructive and the car can be
> converted back to stock if this is desired later on. That would suit me
> fine, as I would rather not do anything that cannot be undone.
>
> 300ly,
> Doug
ok here is the info in my interchange; 50-65 years only listed;
ALL 57 should match FULL size 58-62 Chryslers excluding Windsor &
Newport
63-64 are listed as different.
65 diff from rest, both drum and disk
According to this source you are limited to CHRYSLER ONLY,
none of the Dodge, Plymouth work, ONLY Desoto 57-61 would interchange
depending on application
BUT They ALL use the same inner and outer bearings
So I think there is probably differences in spindle length and how
the various parts bolt on. So I would infer that a side-by-side eyeball
inspection would have to occur.
I do have a spare 57 spindle sitting around.
--
Paul Holmgren
Hoosier Corps #33, L-6
2 57 300-C's in Indy
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 03:27:44 +0000
From: Louis O'Neill <loneill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: recent trends suggest that mobile
Growth area in telecommunications.
(Complication) As consultants whose clients will be affected by this trend, what opportunities should we anticipate?
(Answer) Slide 3: Opportunities to Watch for: (pyramid slide)
Notes:
Technological:
The major technological opportunities will be opened up by advances in third generation technology and telemetry.
A. Third generation
Third generation technology, which is already appearing on the market, enables mobile phone users to access the internet, allowing them to check e-mail, stock prices, manage their finances, and surf the web.
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