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Topics in this digest:
1. Re: FM radios in 1964 and 65
From: paul holmgren <paulholm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
2. Re: FM radios in 1964 and 65
From: "Terry & Andree Hoeman" <tehoema@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
3. Re: FM radios in 1964 and 65
From: "obiwan10" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxx>
4. radio conversions
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
5. Fwd: 500 part duex 2 2
From: greektruck@xxxxxxx
6. Re: FM radios in 1964 and 65
From: "obiwan10" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxx>
7. Re: FM radios in 1964 and 65
From: "obiwan10" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxx>
8. SS trim clips for 55 or 56 300 or coupes per se
From: "MGalassi" <C300lover@xxxxxxxxxxx>
9. Re: SS trim clips for 55 or 56 300 or coupes per se
From: "obiwan10" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxx>
10. Re: GOT A QUESTION
From: mr-320@xxxxxxxxx
11. Re: GOT A QUESTION
From: mr-320@xxxxxxxxx
12. FM radios in 1964 Chryslers
From: "David Coston" <dcoston@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
13. Re: Fw: Exhaust sytem providors
From: "Johnl" <john@xxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:34:39 -0500
From: paul holmgren <paulholm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: FM radios in 1964 and 65
"L.Andrew Jugle" wrote:
snip
> If it was an option in '64 300, the radios are certainly rarer than
> the cars. If your find one, it would be a sin to gut it
> and "modernize". Better you just carry a "boom" box. The early FM
> units are kinda like factory 4 speeds, but rarer.
> L.Andrew Jugle, Elmhurst,IL
I have seriously considered tapping into my radio between the preamp
stage and the amp stage so I could just plug a "boom Box" into the
factory radio. Any good radio technician can do this with the
schematics in hand. If I want stereo its no biggy to install the
speakers with concealable plugs wired to them so that the output
of a boombox can be plugged into them. Even a small AM/FM walkman
could supply a good signal to a set of amplified speakers
--
Paul Holmgren
Hoosier Corps #33, L-6
2 57 300-C's in Indy
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:41:39 -0600
From: "Terry & Andree Hoeman" <tehoema@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: FM radios in 1964 and 65
FM was a possibility for the 64. About the only option not included on the
Salon though. Darn setup required a different trim piece on the dash since
the hole size was different. Had a nice fm unit once but without the trim
so just sold the radio. When I have found parts cars which had the fm the
trim piece was already ruined when the radio was already taken out also.
Have to drop the steering to remove the trim piece of course!!!! Noting is
easy on Chryslers.
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From: "L.Andrew Jugle" <lajugle@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 7:18 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] FM radios in 1964 and 65
> Was there an FM available in 300's in 64??? I believe FM was only
> available in Imperial. We got the FIRST FM in our '65 Dodge Coronet
> and it cost damn near 1/4 the car. I have the window sticker buried
> in my files---it was something like $700 for radio package and $2,500
> for car!! FM then meant tuning capacitors, static collectors and
> eliminators and all kinds of goodies on car, even a different antenna.
>
> If it was an option in '64 300, the radios are certainly rarer than
> the cars. If your find one, it would be a sin to gut it
> and "modernize". Better you just carry a "boom" box. The early FM
> units are kinda like factory 4 speeds, but rarer.
>
> L.Andrew Jugle, Elmhurst,IL
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:08:42 -0800
From: "obiwan10" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: FM radios in 1964 and 65
I suspect that before I went thru a lot of effort and expense to do FM in my B that I would take a close look at the Satellite digital radios from Sirius and XM. Quality and choice is far beyond FM and even with monthly fees of 10 bucks or so, you could pay for many a moon to make up for what an FM conversion might cost and have CD quality sound.
Roger
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From: L.Andrew Jugle
To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 5:18 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] FM radios in 1964 and 65
Was there an FM available in 300's in 64??? I believe FM was only
available in Imperial. We got the FIRST FM in our '65 Dodge Coronet
and it cost damn near 1/4 the car. I have the window sticker buried
in my files---it was something like $700 for radio package and $2,500
for car!! FM then meant tuning capacitors, static collectors and
eliminators and all kinds of goodies on car, even a different antenna.
If it was an option in '64 300, the radios are certainly rarer than
the cars. If your find one, it would be a sin to gut it
and "modernize". Better you just carry a "boom" box. The early FM
units are kinda like factory 4 speeds, but rarer.
L.Andrew Jugle, Elmhurst,IL
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:52:34 -0500
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: radio conversions
Hi Roger,
Yes, I possibly would agree with that, except that, so far, XM technology is
too new ( I have never even been in a car that has XM...) and I doubt that
any of the outfits that do conversions are close to offering that option. I
thought long and hard about what to do about tunes in my two 300G's, I
really like good music and a good system.... but I did not want to put
anything in the car that did not look 100% factory stock. Sure, I guess one
could stuff a modern unit in the glovebox or something, or make some kind of
a removable "box" with a multi-plug that can be taken out for shows and
such... but I decided that I wanted the cars to look 100% stock even with
me sitting alone in the car - a decision I have not regretted. I had the
original speakers reconed, and it turns out that the AM-FM conversion sounds
better through the original speakers than it does with modern, two or three
way expensive 6 X 9's ! There is absolutely no trace of the conversion
anywhere, even the signal-seeking function works as a normal one did. The
conversions are not cheap - $400 something bucks, if I remember correctly.
Perhaps someday they will offer FM and XM conversions...
John
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:56:20 EST
From: greektruck@xxxxxxx
Subject: Fwd: 500 part duex 2 2
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:05:40 -0800
From: "obiwan10" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: FM radios in 1964 and 65
Here is what I did in my 1971 Corvette that I was unable to put a CD player in the dash(almost all units are DIN now) because of the unique design of the Corvette face plate and radio design(old Alpine analog tuner type with built in cassette unit) that goes into it.
I. Bought a good 4 channel amp
2. Put a pair of 6 x 9 speakers co-ax for the rear in specially configured speaker boxes(gives you all the bass that you will ever need) that you can buy at any Circuit city, a pair of high quality tweeters in the dash where the stock speaker had gone, and a pair of 5 by 7 speakers in the kick panels.
3. These were all tied into the amp with proper crossovers.
4. I then purchased one of these very small Sony mini-disc players that play CD quality material on a disc about 1/4 the size of a CD. You can also record directly to these devices from your home CD player, making custom mini-disc's just as you would a custom cassette tape.
5. This device plugs into the RCA inputs on the 4 channel amp as does the am/fm/cassette deck which is in my dash of the Corvette.
6. I can play the radio or cassette thru the amp or throw a switch and play the mini-disc player thru the Amp. The mini-disc player just lays on my console connected by a single cable to the amp and I can control all functions(volume, track selection, etc) just by picking it up(about the size of a pack of cigarettes).
7. Works perfectly, sounds better then ANY factory new car high line system and for a total cost of about $600.00 for all parts, and the dash looks stock.
8. This approach will work with about any MP3 player or products such as your Apple IPOD units(which now are supported by Windows).
Roger
Calif
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From: paul holmgren
To: L.Andrew Jugle
Cc: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] FM radios in 1964 and 65
"L.Andrew Jugle" wrote:
snip
> If it was an option in '64 300, the radios are certainly rarer than
> the cars. If your find one, it would be a sin to gut it
> and "modernize". Better you just carry a "boom" box. The early FM
> units are kinda like factory 4 speeds, but rarer.
> L.Andrew Jugle, Elmhurst,IL
I have seriously considered tapping into my radio between the preamp
stage and the amp stage so I could just plug a "boom Box" into the
factory radio. Any good radio technician can do this with the
schematics in hand. If I want stereo its no biggy to install the
speakers with concealable plugs wired to them so that the output
of a boombox can be plugged into them. Even a small AM/FM walkman
could supply a good signal to a set of amplified speakers
--
Paul Holmgren
Hoosier Corps #33, L-6
2 57 300-C's in Indy
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:21:46 -0800
From: "obiwan10" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: FM radios in 1964 and 65
Incidentally this approach with also work with XM Radio or Sirius just using their small tuner instead of a mini-disc. Can be unplugged when not in use and no one would ever know that car had been modified. System is totally invisible on my Corvette as front speakers(dash tweeters and kick panel 5 x 7's are where stock speaker were located) and rear speakers are in the back(if you know about Corvettes you will understand). I unplug the mini-disc and all looks stock but when plugged in sounds are excellent.
Incidentally Sirius and XM signals are all the way across country(largest early users are cross country truckers) and you not only get over 100 channels of commercial free music of all different types(country, rock, classical etc) but also Tv programming such as CNBC, CNN etc, and radio talk shows from say NYC even if you are in the middle of Nebraska. Again all of CD quality, not the poor AM and FM(fade in and out and only good for 20 miles or so) that we are accustomed to.
The technology is good and it works, whether the companies make money and will remain is another question yet to be determined. Another technology of the type that is still to be well accepted(people just do not understand it and just think it is another VCR) is TIVO(which I feel is the biggest advancement in home theatre/television to come down the pike since color). But once you go for it you will wonder how anyone could watch TV any other way. This is where I think Sat radio will be one day.
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From: obiwan10
To: L.Andrew Jugle ; paul holmgren
Cc: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] FM radios in 1964 and 65
Here is what I did in my 1971 Corvette that I was unable to put a CD player in the dash(almost all units are DIN now) because of the unique design of the Corvette face plate and radio design(old Alpine analog tuner type with built in cassette unit) that goes into it.
I. Bought a good 4 channel amp
2. Put a pair of 6 x 9 speakers co-ax for the rear in specially configured speaker boxes(gives you all the bass that you will ever need) that you can buy at any Circuit city, a pair of high quality tweeters in the dash where the stock speaker had gone, and a pair of 5 by 7 speakers in the kick panels.
3. These were all tied into the amp with proper crossovers.
4. I then purchased one of these very small Sony mini-disc players that play CD quality material on a disc about 1/4 the size of a CD. You can also record directly to these devices from your home CD player, making custom mini-disc's just as you would a custom cassette tape.
5. This device plugs into the RCA inputs on the 4 channel amp as does the am/fm/cassette deck which is in my dash of the Corvette.
6. I can play the radio or cassette thru the amp or throw a switch and play the mini-disc player thru the Amp. The mini-disc player just lays on my console connected by a single cable to the amp and I can control all functions(volume, track selection, etc) just by picking it up(about the size of a pack of cigarettes).
7. Works perfectly, sounds better then ANY factory new car high line system and for a total cost of about $600.00 for all parts, and the dash looks stock.
8. This approach will work with about any MP3 player or products such as your Apple IPOD units(which now are supported by Windows).
Roger
Calif
----- Original Message -----
From: paul holmgren
To: L.Andrew Jugle
Cc: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] FM radios in 1964 and 65
"L.Andrew Jugle" wrote:
snip
> If it was an option in '64 300, the radios are certainly rarer than
> the cars. If your find one, it would be a sin to gut it
> and "modernize". Better you just carry a "boom" box. The early FM
> units are kinda like factory 4 speeds, but rarer.
> L.Andrew Jugle, Elmhurst,IL
I have seriously considered tapping into my radio between the preamp
stage and the amp stage so I could just plug a "boom Box" into the
factory radio. Any good radio technician can do this with the
schematics in hand. If I want stereo its no biggy to install the
speakers with concealable plugs wired to them so that the output
of a boombox can be plugged into them. Even a small AM/FM walkman
could supply a good signal to a set of amplified speakers
--
Paul Holmgren
Hoosier Corps #33, L-6
2 57 300-C's in Indy
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:53:10 -0800
From: "MGalassi" <C300lover@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: SS trim clips for 55 or 56 300 or coupes per se
Does anyone know of a source for the clips that hold the ss trim around the rear window? I need to remove mine for polishing and fear that I will also need to replace the clips. I tried RT in Pa and he has no knowledge what the clips look like. RT in arizona has nothing to fit. Wait your replies
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:11:39 -0800
From: "obiwan10" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: SS trim clips for 55 or 56 300 or coupes per se
I recently removed my rear window trim(56 300 plus all of the other stainless) for polishing. The clips(in the rear window) are different sizes and shapes depending where they are located in the window. They probably will be ok to reuse(unless badly rusted) but may need a little surgical bending to get them to fit snugly when reinstalling trim.
Basically you want them to fit in the stainless snugly enough so that when you reinstall and tighten the nuts that hold them in place, that the stainless keeps them from turning.
You should note where each one come from as you remove them and use body putty(3 M) for filling the body holes before reinstalling them.
It is a very tricky procedure to get it all together(should have 2 people for part of the job).
I was recently at a Goodguys show where at the swap meet a fellow had a booth that sold nothing but these little trim doodads in all shapes and sizes. I would have purchased a handful of them, but so many look very similar that I did not. You must have your old ones with you to match to the ones that he sells.
Good luck in polishing your stainless. I spend many hours on mine and feel that it came out pretty good and I was pretty pleased with myself when done. Better then 90 per cent of the so called professional results that I have seen. It just takes a lot of time and patience and the right equipment and technique. The results of correctly polished stainless are worth the effort but I am not certain that I would ever care to do it again.
Roger
Calif
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From: MGalassi
To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 10:53 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] SS trim clips for 55 or 56 300 or coupes per se
Does anyone know of a source for the clips that hold the ss trim around the rear window? I need to remove mine for polishing and fear that I will also need to replace the clips. I tried RT in Pa and he has no knowledge what the clips look like. RT in arizona has nothing to fit. Wait your replies
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 04:27:25 -0700 (MST)
From: mr-320@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: GOT A QUESTION
if i can fit 2 - 3 inch pipes from the max wedge manifolds back to the
exhaust tips; under a 64 barracuda. then 2 1/2 should easily fit a c
body.....
JEFF
tucson az.
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 04:36:05 -0700 (MST)
From: mr-320@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: GOT A QUESTION
the crossover pipe does wonderful things for performance, if put in at
the correct spot. this spot is found by painting a stripe, with enamel,
down the pipe and putting the crossover at the point where the paint
just stops burning off due to exh heat. or as close as possible in the
cool area. the crossover equalizes reversion pulses, a concept that ram
car owners should be familiar with..
JEFF
tucson az.
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 07:55:54 -0600
From: "David Coston" <dcoston@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: FM radios in 1964 Chryslers
Regarding the AM/FM radios in the 1964 Chryslers...I had a 1964 New Yorker Salon that had an original AM/FM radio in it along with a factory reverb unit. (My Dad was the dealer who originally sold the car and maintained it before I bought it in 1973 to drive to college so I'm sure it was an original.) It sounded great. I had an occasion to remove it once and noticed that it was manufactured by Delco. It was a solid state unit and picked up FM signal pretty well. I saw one just like it for sale on Ebay a week or so back. Didn't have any bids at the time so I don't know if it sold or not.
David
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 06:49:32 -0800
From: "Johnl" <john@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fw: Exhaust sytem providors
Hi Roger,
I'm sorry to say that my guy has closed his doors. His father opened the business in 1955 and made a good living. The son, who did my car, took over, but was forced out by the big guys. There were no patterns as he built it as he went and spent the better part of a day doing it. The work is superb!!
I'm currently looking for a new shop as I'm finishing up my '55 Imperial Newport. Should I find one I'll advise, but in the mean time I'm sure there are qualified people in your area. Check with some of the street rod guys as they are use to having custom work done.
John Lazenby
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From: obiwan10
To: Chrysler300 listservice ; Johnl
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Fw: Exhaust sytem providors
Thanks John and all who commented on Kepich. What an amazing outpouring on this company(sounds like Enron and World Com rolled into one).
The fellow who is seeking someone in Southern Cal that I noted needs 3 or 4 exhaust systems for 57 C's is Timo Tanskanen(most of you all know him). He lost his exhaust guy(closed the shop) and looking for a first class alternative.
John L. could you give me the address or phone number of the fellow that did yours. Did he save a pattern of your system(for my B) for his pipe bender machine? I will pass contact info to Timo. I have been ragging on Timo for a couple of years to get a computer and go online. So far he thinks it will slow him down but I think that he is weakening. Next time he is up here I will give him a tour of the Listserv to see what he is missing.
Thanks again to all of you
Roger
Calif
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From: Johnl
To: Chrysler300 listservice ; obiwan10
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Fw: Exhaust sytem providors
Hi Roger,
Yes I'm out here listening !! I purchased NOS 4 bolt Dodge Truck manifolds and had to have the pipe flanges made. We did a run of several pairs on the flanges and I sold them through the club. My source is now gone for those. The gaskets come in the complete engine set through Felpro. If you need the number separate I can provide.
I found a local shop that did quality work and the prices reflected such. The system was custom built to the car and was worth every penny. It really made a difference in the way the car performs not to mention the attention it draws from the exhaust note.
I've heard stories about someone who does exhaust systems in Florida and it has all been bad. Don't know if it is these folks, but my thought is you will get a better product if you find the right place and stand there and watch them build it.
Just rebuilt the engine in my 300C and purchased a set of Sanderson short headers for it. The car is much healthier now and warrants an exhaust upgrade, so when time and money allows I may do that one as well.
I do have another set of the Dodge Truck manifolds and flanges that I'm saving for that rainy day. Then last but not least I purchased a set of the factory cast headers used on J's and K ram cars with the short ram intakes. For years they have been setting on my shelf and if I ever get the urge they may end up on my F.
Good luck with the hunt,
John Lazenby
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To: "Chrysler300 listservice" <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 11:39 AM
Subject: [Chrysler300] Fw: Exhaust sytem providors
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roger L. Schaaf
> To: Chrysler300 listservice
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 9:56 AM
> Subject: Exhaust sytem providors
>
>
> I am seeking a recommended supplier of exhaust system components. In particular I would like someone to make up for me the high performance exhaust system for a 56 300 B which was offered the 355 HP optional motor. I do have the exhaust manifolds. John Lazenby if you are listening, I know that you had such a system built for your B. Are you happy with the results and if so provide info?
>
> Also a friend of mine has need for 3 or 4 complete systems for 57 300 C autos that he is restoring(coupe and convert). Southern Calif would be good, but anywhere is OK.
>
> Has anyone had experience with Kepich Exhaust out of Florida. I believe that they once advertised in Hemmings and specialized in stainless systems.
>
> Still looking for provider of 3.07 ring and pinion or complete differential for 300 B.
>
> Thanks
> Roger Schaaf
> 300 B in Calif
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