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There are 15 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. 1961 300G Conv. for sale
From: skh300@xxxxxxx
2. '65-'66? Chrysler washer bottles,#2497580
From: "David Agnew" <Fnnutz@xxxxxxxxxx>
3. Re: '65-'66? Chrysler washer bottles,#2497580
From: "Ryan Hill" <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
4. 57C speedometer
From: "David Zakarian" <arshog@xxxxxxxxx>
5. Re: 57C speedometer
From: "Park Waldrop" <pwald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
6. Re: 1961 300G Conv. for sale
From: "rpjasin" <rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
7. Re: 500 ci
From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxx>
8. 500 ci lettercars response
From: greektruck@xxxxxxx
9. Fw: auto transports
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
10. Re: Re: 500ci
From: "Laurence G. Johnson" <laurence_g_johnson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
11. Re: 500 ci
From: RAKFAR@xxxxxxx
12. re: auto transport
From: "PaddyCaddy ." <paddycaddy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
13. Re: 57C speedometer
From: Philippe Courant <accf-club@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
14. Re: 57C speedometer
From: Philippe Courant <accf-club@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
15. Re: Re: 500ci
From: dan300f@xxxxxxx
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:55:08 EST
From: skh300@xxxxxxx
Subject: 1961 300G Conv. for sale
<A HREF="" href="http://www.volocars.com/f-showrm.html">http://www.volocars.com/f-showrm.html">Click here: http://www.volocars.com/f-showrm.html</A>
Anyone that's interested there is a 1961 Chrysler 300G Conv. for sale @ the
Volo Auto Museum, In Volo, IL. it is red w/ tan interior and is selling for
$56,998. I have not looked at it yet but planning to go check it out next
week.
300ly
Steve Hildebrandt
Aurora, IL
skh300@xxxxxxx
55 C-300 Porcelain Green
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 12:19:50 +1300
From: "David Agnew" <Fnnutz@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: '65-'66? Chrysler washer bottles,#2497580
'65 & perhaps '66 Chrysler lovers,
Question...... folks. I note that 2 so called 'PowerSellers' on e-Bay ( links below ) are now offering a reproduction windshield washer reservoir, # 2497580. This is applicable to '65 Chryslers,Furys, and Polaras. If your cracked and yellowed example on your '65 300 is at all like mine on my NY'er, you will no doubt be interested in this new repro. I haven't found a good used one in 5 years of looking.
#2497502, the '65 reservoir for all other Mopars except Imperial has been available as a repro for a long time, but this is just hot out of the injection molding machine, it seems.
Is this reservoir available at your friendly MoPar parts shop??? Or is it perhaps something repro'd by someone licenced by Daimler-Chrysler?? And being flogged off by Frank M and some other high volume parts shar......er, sorry.......seller ??
Does anybody know?? Seems that $49.99 will buy one off e-Bay if you are the only bidder.
Thanx folks...........Dave in summery NZ just heading 200 miles north to an annual American car show/swap.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1873015459
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10076&item=1872992421&rd=1
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:11:34 -0800
From: "Ryan Hill" <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: '65-'66? Chrysler washer bottles,#2497580
Great minds think alike I guess...........I was meaning to ask about the
'65/66 300 washer reservoir bottles as well. I've noticed the item on ebay
repeatedly in my never ending search for parts and have observed as these
things were bid up to $120 or so dollars.(Too rich for my blood currently)
Does anyone know where these are coming from or if there is a way to
purchase one directly? If anyone out there has one, what is the quality
like? I'd hate to bid on one on ebay and then find I could buy from the
manufacturer for less.
Ryan
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:17:42 -0800
From: "David Zakarian" <arshog@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 57C speedometer
Just took the C out on the freeway. Seems the speedometer is 10 MPH fast(reads 80 really only going 70). Somewhere I have seen a chart with the different speedometer pinions that go with the different rear ends(assuming that is the problem). Can't find it any more. Anyone out there have this information? I'm running 235X75X14 tires. I don't think this would be the problem.
Zak
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:39:27 -0500
From: "Park Waldrop" <pwald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 57C speedometer
Dave, with the standard 3.36 axle gears, the pinion should have 18 teeth for
7.50x14 tires, and 17 teeth for 8.00 or 8.50x14 tires. (ref '55-58 parts
book, section 21-113).
Park Waldrop
Atlanta
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:52:02 -0800
From: "rpjasin" <rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 1961 300G Conv. for sale
You would think that someone selling a $57K auotomobile would at least do a little research before they write the copy for the ad. 300G option? Option of what? A New Yorker?
The engine compartment detail is lacking as well. Screw clamps, non-MoPar hoses, aftermarket radiator cap, later build alternator....
Caveat Emptor.
Bob J
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:37:28 -0800
From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 500 ci
I will be using the short ram, header set-up on the 440 when the F goes back
together again. I'll be testing the engine on a dyno before it goes in the
car too and am not going to change the cam yet, so I'll let you know how it
goes! I am also going to try and have someone make the heat tubes for the
headers. I will also post again on how that comes out too. The headers that
I got years ago had the elbow flanges still on them. I was surprised to find
that the short elbow pipe had a piece that protruded into the exhaust flow
by about 1 1/2 inches. It was just an extension of the outer pipe with half
cut away. It was most likely to direct flow into the pipe and up to the carb
base. It sure looked like it would reduce exhaust flow in that cylinder
though, and I won't be putting that back in.
300ly,
Don
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From: Laurence G. Johnson <laurence_g_johnson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <d.verity@xxxxxxx>; <dan300f@xxxxxxx>; <zincspot@xxxxxxxx>
Cc: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 500 ci
> All,
> I looked up the specs for the 440 mag cam:
> Intake opens: 19º BTC
> Intake closes: 69º ABC
> Intake duration: 268º
> Intake lift: 0.458"
> Exhaust opens: 77º BBC
> Exhaust closes: 27º ATC
> Exhaust duration: 284º
> Exhaust lift: 0.450"
> Overlap: 46º
>
> Note that the intake duration is 268 degrees, same as the ram cam. The
> exhaust has more duration at 284 degrees. The impact on the ram setup
would
> be the overlap. The ram cam is probably less than the 46 degrees the Mag
> cam is rated at. It would be interesting to see the specs for the ram cam
> (with the 4º retard figured in) side by side with the 440 Mag cam to see
how
> close (or different) they really are.
>
> The 440 Mag was rated at 375 horsepower @ 5200RPM and 495 lb-ft torque @
> 3600RPM. On paper, at least, the short ram version looks like a better
> candidate for this displacement/cam combination, since the peak torque RPM
> coincide better than it does with the long (2800RPM) version. Has anyone
> tries the short version on a 440 Mag? It should be able to produce enough
> torque to twist axles off cleanly right at the flanges.
>
> The real trick to getting the long version to work correctly is to find a
> cam that produces peak torque right around the 2800RPM resonant point for
> the cylinder head/displacement combination. The rules of thumb are: As
> displacement goes up the peak torque RPM goes down. As the heads flow
better
> the peak torque RPM goes back up. The 906 heads flow significantly better
> that the 1960-1962 heads and the 440 has 27 extra inches over a 413 and 57
> more than a 383 so the matching cam now becomes a question mark. The long
> version seem to be very sensitive to the matchup and Chrysler did an
> excellent job in designing a cam that worked well in either the 383 or
413.
>
> The short version doesn't seem to be nearly as sensitive. The 400 and 405
> horsepower versions used cams with 292 or 308 degrees duration and made
lots
> of power.(Remember the famous 62 Chrysler that Hot Rod magazine featured
in
> 1962?) Maybe your friendly neighborhood cam grinder could suggest a grind
> for a ram induction 440 Mag that would out perform even the Chrysler
design.
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:50:30 EST
From: greektruck@xxxxxxx
Subject: 500 ci lettercars response
thank you all, and thank you for the specs lettercars ( hope its right )
i hope this does not sound unappreciatative, but i have one last question
before i get this ground.
while i know the so very important specs, do you know the lobe angles? lca,
and lda. are they 114, or 108 like i was told to get. I Have The solid and
will keep it that way
i am sorry to ask this after all you did, but you are on the ball and nobody
else outside this group is.
ps, with my program, specs from lettercar of 268, and .450 apx lifts, edel
heads,
*without* the 10% increase from short runner long tubes, i should have 500
hp, and 520 torque. with the solid cam factory
i will dyno this when i do it,
and thank you all for the help, one more time please.
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 22:49:27 -0500
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Fw: auto transports
Forwarding... please respond to Del directly at skoch53@xxxxxxxxxxx
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerney, Delmar L (Del)" <Del.Kerney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
and skoch53@xxxxxxxxxxx
> John,
> I've seen several discussions on transport companies on the listserver
> but thinking I'd never need one deleted them all. A co-worker has just
> purchased a 67' Satellite off Ebay that resides in Baltimore and needs a
> reputable carrier to get it to Fort Wayne. He has contacted
> JJJ Carrier, Inc. and wondered if anyone has experience with them, or if
> anyone can recommend a good transport company from personal experience.
> (Please post on listserver for me since I changed my address to home, and
> don't know if this will copy to it.) Send any responses to:
>
>
> Steve.X.Koch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:Steve.X.Koch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> or skoch53@xxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:skoch53@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Del Kerney
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:45:17 -0500
From: "Laurence G. Johnson" <laurence_g_johnson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: 500ci
>From: dan300f@xxxxxxx
>To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [Chrysler300] Re: 500ci
>Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:07:16 EST
>Hi all:
>
>Comparing the 440 Mag. cam with the ram cams, here are the cam specs for
>the
>long and short rams according to the booklet that came with my F. It does
>not show the intake and exhaust closing degrees. Perhaps someone else can
>fill in the blanks.
I filled in the blanks by calculating the missing points from the duration
and the given points. It certainly looks like the Mag cam is a viable
replacement for the long ram cam and may even work respectably with short
rams. The Mag cam beats them both on lift. Dan, do your timing figures
include the 4 degree retard provided by the timing gears? The timing figures
for the Long ram cam look like they are 4 degrees retarded as shown. Figures
for a 4 degree advance are shown in parantheses. I've added the dashes (-)
the keep the columns aligned during transmission.
BTW, I misquoted the horsepower and torque figures for the 375 horse 440
(some are mixed up with 6-Pack numbers). They are:
375HP @ 4600RPM and 480lb-ft@3200RPM.
Now, where can I get a Short ram cam for my 440 Mag????
Larry Johnson
------------------------440 Mag------Long Ram------Short Ram
Intake opens:-----------19º BTC------20 BTC-(24)---25 BTC
Intake closes:----------69º ABC------68 ABC-(64)---79 ABC
Intake duration:--------268º---------268-----------284
Intake lift:------------0.458"-------0.430"--------0.449"
Exhaust opens:----------77º BBC------60 BBC-(64)---74 BBC
Exhaust closes:---------27º ATC------28 ATC-(24)---30 ATC
Exhaust duration:-------284º---------268-----------284
Exhaust lift:-----------0.450"-------0.430"--------0.454"
Overlap:----------------46º----------48------------55
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:09:12 EST
From: RAKFAR@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: 500 ci
For what it's worth, when my 300F long ram engine was overhauled a
few years back, I also elected to go with the 440 Magnum (a.k.a. Roadrunner
or Six Pack) cam, and I don't regret the choice. I'm running mildly ported
452 heads (2.08 intake/ 1.74 exhaust), and since I live in southern
California, no chokes on the stock 2903 carburetors. The engine starts
quickly and easily (much more so than with the old, stock cam), and idles
well, with a slightly pleasing lumpiness. There is plenty of intake vacuum
for power brakes.
On the other hand, I'm not sure I actually gained any power over the
stock bumpstick. I had intended to dyno the engine after overhaul, but time
and money prevented that. Before overhaul my car would do 0-60 in the low
eight second range (say 8.2); with the new cam, guess what? Right, low eight
second range. Oh well.
300F'ly,
Roger Karlson
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:15:42 -0500
From: "PaddyCaddy ." <paddycaddy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: re: auto transport
Hi, saw your need for car transport from Baltimore on the 300 club
listserver..
I live in Virginia and have three suggestions.
1 - avoid Dependable Auto Shippers (DAS) like you would the plague.
2 - call Tony at (301) 234-0135 and tell him Sean recommended his flatbed
service. He has towed many cars for me. He lives in Maryland and is very
reliable.
3 - call Bobby at (540) 547-4644 and tell him the same. He will be hauling a
parts car to Baltimore for me next week ! He lives in Western Virginia.
"she drove a plymouth satellite......faster than the speed of light."
Planet Claire (B-52's) 1982
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 09:50:23 +0100
From: Philippe Courant <accf-club@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 57C speedometer
Hi,
You must note that the 235x75-14 (assuming it's the radial WWW Coker
tire) is smaller in diameter than original bias 9.00-14:
235-75 x 14: 27.87" diameter
9.00-14: 29" diameter for US Royal, perhaps more for other brand
So ther's at least 5 % less diameter so 5 % faster speed than with
original tires
I've checked on my '57 Imperial (i've the original speedo + an
electronic speedo calibrated to my 225-14 radial tires) and ther's a 7 %
error . I checked with the two odometers on a 50 miles trip: original
odometer : 54 miles. calibrated odometer: 50 miles
So before removing pinions, check on an accurate distance if the
odometer is accurate.
To verify the speedo itself: 1000 rpm of speedo cable = 60 mph on speedo
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Imperial 57 Crown convertible
Buick 58 Roadmaster sedan HT
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 10:07:34 +0100
From: Philippe Courant <accf-club@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 57C speedometer
Note also that i've the complete chart for '57 cars:
About cars with Torqueflite and 9.00-14 tire (also with 8.50 or 9.50 tires):
Axle ratio 3.18/1 : pinion 1636 406 - 17 teeths (red)
Axle ratio: 3.36/1 : pinion 1636 407 - 18 teeths (black)
Axle ratio 3.54/1 : pinion 1636 408 - 19 teeths (light purple)
Axle ratio 3.73/1 : pinion 1636 409 - 20 teeths (light blue)
Axle ratio 3.9/1, 4.1/1 and 4.3/1 : pinion 1636 410 - 21 teeths (yellow)
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Imperial 57 Crown convertible
Buick 58 Roadmaster sedan HT
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 09:49:41 EST
From: dan300f@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Re: 500ci
Larry:
You know, I do not know if the numbers I provided include the 2 degree
retard. As I mentioned, the data was taken from the booklet provided by
Chrysler in a small booklet.
Dan Reitz
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