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There are 8 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. 1965 300L Running Light - reply and status
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
2. Beaumont, Streamo
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
3. RE: Outgassing ?
From: Mark Souders <souders@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
4. RE: RE: Outgassing ?
From: "Jim Pristelski" <ajp002@xxxxxxx>
5. Re: gassy vinyls
From: mr-320@xxxxxxxxx
6. vacuum switch
From: "Park Waldrop" <pwald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
7. Re: RE: Outgassing ?
From: <fabe7445@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
8. Outgassing/allergies
From: "Warren R Anderson" <wranderson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 21:52:41 -0500
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 1965 300L Running Light - reply and status
Hi Darrin, and all other 300L owners.
Thanks to George Riehl's efforts, the 300L center running light lenses are
now on their way back from being vacumetallized and painted . They will be
available for sale in a few days - please be patient and expect an
annoucement soon. I think I can safely say that you should be able to have
one by Christmas. Expect the price to be in the $75.00 range, as, due to
the
very low anticipated sales volume, the lenses had to be hand-made, two at
a
time. The cost of having a die made and the lenses injection-molded was
prohibitive. Then, they had to be painted and plated, too...
The following people are on the 300L "advanced sale" list :
1- Steve Galezowski
3- Bob Merritt
1- Fern Rivard
1- Jack Buttino
1- Was Vanaman
1- Harold Kay
1- George VerBerkmoes
2- Darrin Bailey
1- Luther Caudle
1- Carl Kreps
If someone NOT on the current list would like to be added, and intends to
purchase one or more, please let me know privately . If someone on the
list
intends to purchase more than the quantity indicated next to their name,
please also let me know now. My e-mail address is: crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
People on the "advance list" will be notified and given the opportunity to
purchase first. There are about 27 lenses available.
Thanks
John
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:15:45 -0600
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Beaumont, Streamo
Got 'em both through all y'all's help.
Thanks. No more assistance needed.
Wayne
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 07:02:58 -0500
From: Mark Souders <souders@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Outgassing ?
Hi John,
The term outgassing refers to the vapors released when certain organic
compounds cure. For example, when you paint a car, the curing process
involves outgassing. As the paint "dries" it releases vapors into the
atmosphere. If you're at a car show and walk by a freshly painted car,
you
can smell the paint. Actually you are smelling the vapors that are
outgassing from the paint mixture. This process starts as soon as you mix
the paint with thinner and hardener. The term outgassing is also called
degassing and is used interchangeably. We use this term every day here at
Baldwin Brass, as we coat most of out finely polished brass with clear
lacquer and we allow it to outgas before we assemble our hardware and gift
items. If you think about it, this is also what's happening to vinyl dash
pads, vinyl seats, and door panels. I've since learned that if you park
your car inside a garage you should open a window to allow these vapors to
escape and thus reduce the fogging effect on your windows. I don't know
if
the vapors released by vinyl are harmful to the human body, but I think if
they are, the folks in California would already have posted warning labels
on all new car dashes by now. Imagine this, "Warning: the vinyl in this
vehicle is known to the state of California to cause cancer in laboratory
animals." Well I guess I'll have to keep those animals out of my car!
Regards,
Mark
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Hertog [SMTP:crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 5:38 PM
> To: Mark Souders
> Subject: Outgassing ?
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> Now there's a new word I can add to my vocabulary ! Outgassing ! I
really
> like the sound of it ! Did you just make it up ?
> :)
>
> John
>
>
> From: "Mark Souders"
> > I remember the only car I ever bought brand new was a 74 Duster. It
had
> > vinyl seats and rubber floor, no carpet. My only complaint was the
> windows
> > were always fogged up. The dealer told me that it was natural for the
> vinyl
> > to outgas and that it would stop after a few months. I had that car
for
> 5
> > years and it never stopped outgassing.
> >
> > Mark
>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 06:25:25 -0600
From: "Jim Pristelski" <ajp002@xxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: RE: Outgassing ?
I was first introduced to outgassing of plastics and the like during the
space program in the 1960's. Obviously, it is a potential problem to
astronauts in such confined space.
I also have a friend whose wife has great sensitivity to the gases from
plastics. They have no carpeting in their home. They only purchase
automobiles that are at least several years old, preferably well sun
baked.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Souders [mailto:souders@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 6:03 AM
To: 'John Hertog'; 'Chrysler 300 Yahoo Group'
Subject: [Chrysler300] RE: Outgassing ?
Hi John,
The term outgassing refers to the vapors released when certain organic
compounds cure. For example, when you paint a car, the curing process
involves outgassing. As the paint "dries" it releases vapors into the
atmosphere. (snip)
Regards,
Mark
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 07:26:38 -0700 (MST)
From: mr-320@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: gassy vinyls
its amazing, here evryone is busy complaining about the NEW
CAR smell..
JEFF
tucson az.
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:49:04 -0600
From: "Park Waldrop" <pwald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: vacuum switch
Vacuum switch (starter interlock) on our C died yesterday. Anyone have a
spare or a suggested source?
Park Waldrop
Atlanta
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:32:57 -0500
From: <fabe7445@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: RE: Outgassing ?
I can vouch on the testing of the outgassing, actually
liberating plasticizer out of the vinyl.
We sold EPA an electric infrared heat bank so they could
simulate sunshine on automobiles.
The heat liberates the plasticizer which is part of the
chemical makeup of vinyl to keep it soft and give a good
feel to your hand like touching new leather.
This was many years ago so if there were problems, EPA
would have banned its use by now.
Regular cleaning is key as the plasticizer oxidizes on
your windows it becomes harder to remove.
Jim Faber
>
> From: Mark Souders <souders@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 2002/12/06 Fri AM 07:02:58 EST
> To: 'John Hertog' <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, 'Chrysler 300 Yahoo Group'
> <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [Chrysler300] RE: Outgassing ?
>
> Hi John,
> The term outgassing refers to the vapors released when certain organic
> compounds cure. For example, when you paint a car, the curing process
> involves outgassing. As the paint "dries" it releases vapors into the
> atmosphere. If you're at a car show and walk by a freshly painted car,
you
> can smell the paint. Actually you are smelling the vapors that are
> outgassing from the paint mixture. This process starts as soon as you
mix
> the paint with thinner and hardener. The term outgassing is also called
> degassing and is used interchangeably. We use this term every day here
at
> Baldwin Brass, as we coat most of out finely polished brass with clear
> lacquer and we allow it to outgas before we assemble our hardware and
gift
> items. If you think about it, this is also what's happening to vinyl
dash
> pads, vinyl seats, and door panels. I've since learned that if you park
> your car inside a garage you should open a window to allow these vapors
to
> escape and thus reduce the fogging effect on your windows. I don't know
if
> the vapors released by vinyl are harmful to the human body, but I think
if
> they are, the folks in California would already have posted warning
labels
> on all new car dashes by now. Imagine this, "Warning: the vinyl in this
> vehicle is known to the state of California to cause cancer in
laboratory
> animals." Well I guess I'll have to keep those animals out of my car!
>
> Regards,
> Mark
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Hertog [SMTP:crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 5:38 PM
> > To: Mark Souders
> > Subject: Outgassing ?
> >
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> > Now there's a new word I can add to my vocabulary ! Outgassing ! I
really
> > like the sound of it ! Did you just make it up ?
> > :)
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > From: "Mark Souders"
> > > I remember the only car I ever bought brand new was a 74 Duster. It
had
> > > vinyl seats and rubber floor, no carpet. My only complaint was the
> > windows
> > > were always fogged up. The dealer told me that it was natural for
the
> > vinyl
> > > to outgas and that it would stop after a few months. I had that car
for
> > 5
> > > years and it never stopped outgassing.
> > >
> > > Mark
> >
>
>
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>
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:12:54 -0700
From: "Warren R Anderson" <wranderson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Outgassing/allergies
>
>I also have a friend whose wife has great sensitivity to the gases from
>plastics. They have no carpeting in their home. They only purchase
>automobiles that are at least several years old, preferably well sun
baked.
I own a 1964 Cadillac SDV with a near perfect dash and another parts car
with a destroyed dash. The good dash car is from south central Georgia and
the parts car has lived here in AZ all it's life.
Most folks in our area use dash covers. This does some good but generally
only ends up covering cracks.
We have had only one experience with one client with a severe allergy
condition to auto interior materials outgassing. She drove a stripped
commercial minivan with aluminum foil covering the dash, visors etc. which
she said helped.
Warren Anderson
Sedona,AZ
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