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There are 18 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. (unknown)
From: "Gary F." <whatsgood4u@xxxxxxxxxxx>
2. Fuel and related
From: " Jim McMullan" <macthehammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
3. Re: Fuel and related
From: "Laurence G. Johnson" <laurence_g_johnson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
4. Re: Fuel and related
From: Bob Jasinski <rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
5. beware - bad parts - dishonest person !
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
6. West Coast / Suncoast phone number
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
7. Gary Whitehead
From: MOPARMARX@xxxxxxx
8. Re: beware - bad parts - dishonest person !
From: RONVE@xxxxxxx
9. Re: Gary Whitehead
From: "Dean Mullinax" <55des4me@xxxxxxxx>
10. Re: beware - bad parts - dishonest person !
From: joeypilot@xxxxxxx
11. Re: Gary Whitehead
From: "The Holmgren's" <paulholm@xxxxxxxx>
12. Re: Gary Whitehead
From: "Dean Mullinax" <55des4me@xxxxxxxx>
13. FW: explane m.p.g.
From: " Jim McMullan" <macthehammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
14. (no subject)
From: MJMLandDev@xxxxxxx
15. Re: (no subject)
From: "Dean Mullinax" <55des4me@xxxxxxxx>
16. Re: FW: explane m.p.g.
From: G Barker <gbarker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
17. 300 J or K
From: G Barker <gbarker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
18. Re: Gary Whitehead
From: Gary W Nelson <Gary@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 09:16:44 -0400
From: "Gary F." <whatsgood4u@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: (unknown)
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 12:19:52 -0700
From: " Jim McMullan" <macthehammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Fuel and related
Hi Again Ray.I put my F in storage in 1981 .Saving it for a retirement
project! One of the main reasons was lack of good Fuel. Cam2 was a option at
around $2.00 a gal. But at 4M.P.G.and you were never sure you could get it
on the other end.I am currently in the planning stage of the restoration
.One consideration is I live at see levial -the shop is at 3000 ft.-the pass
over the mountain to Nevada is 8000 ft. A b/map sensor will solve the main
problem.But that means F/I .The throttle body F/I would be a way to go
but balance with two on long rams is something I don't want to even
think about.I suppose one could split the system and run it as two 4 cyl.engines
with 2 of everything (oxy.-maps-temp-knock-sensors ect.) But E.F.I sounds like a
better way to go.Sort of hate to drill the long rams for the injectors but I
have a spare set and the holes can always be plugged and tigg weleded.I prickled
the engine when I put it away so when I tear it down will go with the hard
seats.Your solution to the octane problem sounds like a winner. I knew someone
out there had tackled it.Now has anyone out there tired a NASCAR type rear end
.Full floater with discs? And what about body reinforcement at the front of the
rear spring mounts.Ive sean too many F and G with cracks at the top of the
finders by the rear window ! Torque is wonderful but it can be a problem.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 17:19:16 -0400
From: "Laurence G. Johnson" <laurence_g_johnson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fuel and related
Hi Jim,
I have a suggested solution to your fuel injection problem that circumvents
most ot the issues that you have envisioned. Holley markets a fuel injection
system that will drive two throttle body type injectors. Two throttle body
injectors would be required to replace each carburetor(P/N 950-23S). The
computer is P/N 534-122. This system meters fuel through four injectors on
each body similar to the four metering clusters in your carburetors. Fuel is
introduced at the carburetor end of the ram tubes just like stock. No need
to cut up the rams at all. You would need to find a place for the MAP
sensor, probably in the crossover tube. You would also need the
corresponding electric fuel pump and probably a long list of assorted dodads
to fit it all together. The computer fuel curve is programmable through
software provided by Holley to load on a laptop. Holley is very helpful on
projects like this. But I think it would run rings around carburetors. 4
mpg? This is very low even for a ram car. Most would get pretty good mileage
when driven sensibly. Good luck. Larry Johnson
>From: " Jim McMullan" <macthehammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: macthehammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: "Melton Ray" <rmelton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Chrysler300"
><Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [Chrysler300] Fuel and related
>Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 12:19:52 -0700
>
>
>Hi Again Ray.I put my F in storage in 1981 .Saving it for a retirement
>project! One of the main reasons was lack of good Fuel. Cam2 was a option
>at
>around $2.00 a gal. But at 4M.P.G.and you were never sure you could get it
>on the other end.I am currently in the planning stage of the restoration
>.One consideration is I live at see levial -the shop is at 3000 ft.-the
>pass
>over the mountain to Nevada is 8000 ft. A b/map sensor will solve the main
>problem.But that means F/I .The throttle body F/I would be a way to go
>but balance with two on long rams is something I don't want to even
>think about.I suppose one could split the system and run it as two 4
>cyl.engines
>with 2 of everything (oxy.-maps-temp-knock-sensors ect.) But E.F.I sounds
>like a
>better way to go.Sort of hate to drill the long rams for the injectors but
>I
>have a spare set and the holes can always be plugged and tigg weleded.I
>prickled
>the engine when I put it away so when I tear it down will go with the hard
>seats.Your solution to the octane problem sounds like a winner. I knew
>someone
>out there had tackled it.Now has anyone out there tired a NASCAR type rear
>end
>.Full floater with discs? And what about body reinforcement at the front of
>the
>rear spring mounts.Ive sean too many F and G with cracks at the top of the
>finders by the rear window ! Torque is wonderful but it can be a problem.
>Jim.
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 14:31:21 -0700
From: Bob Jasinski <rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fuel and related
Jim and list,
I consistantly get around 12 mpg with my 300 G. I can't understand you getting 4 mpg! How deep is the rear axle on this car?
Bob J
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 18:13:31 -0400
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: beware - bad parts - dishonest person !
Hi to all,
Short Story:
Beware of West Coast Antique ; also known as SunCoast Products; both businesses owned by Gary Whitehead, from Southern California. Not only is the product sold ( reproduction lenses) extremely inferior, but the man is decidedly dishonest.
Long Story:
On December 21, 1999, ( YES , THAT'S 1999 ! ) I received a fax from West Coast Antique, signed by Gary Whitehead, advising me that he had received my two pairs of original taillight lenses ( 60 Chrysler and 61 Chrysler) in undamaged condition and would return these to me as soon as molds were made from them for reproduction purposes. Since then, I have been unable to get either pair of NOS lenses back from Mr. Whitehead. It's now 22 months later, and I've been had.
I did receive two sets of '61 reproduction taillight lenses - one set melted while on the shelf (!) and the other set is unusable due to being too thick, therefore unable to mount between bezel and housing. Garbage.
My phone calls do not get returned. My faxes do not get replied to. Yet Mr. Whitehead DOES respond to other calls and inquiries ( from different numbers) when a message is left indicating someone would like to purchase his product !
Warning - this man sells JUNK. It's not worth anything, at any price.
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I would very much appreciate the membership's help as follows:
PLEASE call 1-877-893-5811 ( this is a toll-free number) and leave a message stating you have seen the ad in Mopar Collector's Guide and you're interested in purchasing some lenses. Leave your phone number. Then, when Mr. Whitehead returns your call, just ask him where John Hertog's two pairs of NOS lenses are. You can tell him you would consider ordering from him but won't do so until this situation has been resolved. Maybe if he hears the same story from enough people, he'll decide to return my stuff?
Please don't be put off by whatever story he might concoct. A couple friends of mine have already done this, and he's assured them both that he returned my lenses. IT IS A LIE .
I'd appreciate hearing back from anyone that does this, and gets a call back. Thanks for your help. I have waited and waited before putting out this e-mail, in the hope that the situation would be resolved by now. I am out about $500's worth of lenses.
John
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 18:36:54 -0400
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: West Coast / Suncoast phone number
Hi again,
It now appears the #$%^&* sorry bastard has discontinued his toll free
number. Unfortunately, the remaining number is not toll-free. It's (858)
457-2182 . It's a good number, I just tried it. Please call if you can.
John
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:04:23 EDT
From: MOPARMARX@xxxxxxx
Subject: Gary Whitehead
John, you know my story about Whitehead, I went to his condo twice and he
would not come to the door and I know he was home. He is a member of the De
Soto Club and I could not get them to do a thing about this thief. I have
names of several others who have sent lens and have NOT got them back. He
should be banned from all advertising in the new letters.
hal
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:28:21 EDT
From: RONVE@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: beware - bad parts - dishonest person !
John,
Shall we go visit him while we are in California??
Ron...
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 21:27:11 -0400
From: "Dean Mullinax" <55des4me@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Gary Whitehead
Hal, John and all...
The National DeSoto Club is aware of the of the accusations about G.
Whitehead. But, the club cannot be responsible for the actions and
transactions taken or made between members, and Gary Whitehead is a member
as well as yourself. Unfortunately, that gives him the right to advertise
in the club publications. Now that his reputation is known, people just
don't (or shouldn't) do business with him.
The Chrysler 300 Club probably finds themselves in the same situation. I am
not sure if he is a member of this club or not.
John, can you tell me if he is a member of this club?
I don't like it either. I have spoken with other people that have had bad
experiences as well. I also think that, based on all the unrest he has
caused, he should not be allowed to renew his membership in either club. I
know that the Trustees of the NDC have spoken about this situation and were
undecided on what action, if any, to take. At what point should we, or can
we, step in on personal transactions? Where do you draw the line? Maybe if
enough complaints are registered with the governing board of a given club,
then the club can act by terminating the membership of the person in
question. But that is about all the club(s) can do. Any further
litigations would have to be carried out by the members involved in the bad
transaction.
It is just ashamed that there has to be someone in the old car hobby that
lacks the morals to keep the hobby fun and clean. I personally would not do
business with the guy, and will voice that opinion in both clubs. If it
comes before the Board again in the NDC, I will ask that his membership not
be continued based on numerous complaints from members about him and his way
of doing business.
Good luck to those of you that were screwed over by him. Maybe in the long
(or short) run he will get what is coming to him....
Dean Mullinax
Vice President
National DeSoto Club, Inc.
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 21:47:18 EDT
From: joeypilot@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: beware - bad parts - dishonest person !
I will be calling. Will advise.
Joey
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 21:09:19 -0500
From: "The Holmgren's" <paulholm@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Gary Whitehead
Dean Mullinax wrote:
> Hal, John and all...
snip
> The Chrysler 300 Club probably finds themselves in the same situation.
> I am not sure if he is a member of this club or not.
> John, can you tell me if he is a member of this club?
> I don't like it either. I have spoken with other people that have had bad
> experiences as well. I also think that, based on all the unrest he has
> caused, he should not be allowed to renew his membership in either club. I
> know that the Trustees of the NDC have spoken about this situation and were
> undecided on what action, if any, to take. At what point should we, or can
> we, step in on personal transactions? Where do you draw the line? Maybe if
> enough complaints are registered with the governing board of a given club,
> then the club can act by terminating the membership of the person in
> question. But that is about all the club(s) can do. Any further
> litigations would have to be carried out by the members involved in the bad
> transaction.
snip
> Dean Mullinax
> Vice President
> National DeSoto Club, Inc.
Hemmings Has No Trouble Not Accepting Adds from "venders" that do not
conduct business fairly. It seems that any organization has choices
they can make, drawing the line should be a Service to the customers
and the greater good.
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Paul Holmgren
Hoosier Corps #33, L-6
2 57 300-C's in Indy
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:20:03 -0400
From: "Dean Mullinax" <55des4me@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Gary Whitehead
Paul,
I agree with you. I am checking now with a few of our members to see what
transpired concerning this guy. This happened a year or two ago I believe
in our club. I am not sure how many people had problems with him, but I
know there were a good many. I only hope no more have had this experience
since then.
What I am saying is that the Club cannot be responsible for the actual
transaction between the two members. But, with enough complaints about a
member, the club should be responsible for some action against the member
being complained about. This is my opinion. I think something should be
done to put the guy out of business. But, the most I can do is vote to
revoke his membership in the NDC. And I will.
Dean Mullinax
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From: "The Holmgren's" <paulholm@xxxxxxxx>
To: "Dean Mullinax" <55des4me@xxxxxxxx>
Cc: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <MOPARMARX@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Gary Whitehead
> Dean Mullinax wrote:
>
> > Hal, John and all...
>
> snip
>
> > The Chrysler 300 Club probably finds themselves in the same situation.
> > I am not sure if he is a member of this club or not.
>
> > John, can you tell me if he is a member of this club?
>
> > I don't like it either. I have spoken with other people that have had
bad
> > experiences as well. I also think that, based on all the unrest he has
> > caused, he should not be allowed to renew his membership in either club.
I
> > know that the Trustees of the NDC have spoken about this situation and
were
> > undecided on what action, if any, to take. At what point should we, or
can
> > we, step in on personal transactions? Where do you draw the line?
Maybe if
> > enough complaints are registered with the governing board of a given
club,
> > then the club can act by terminating the membership of the person in
> > question. But that is about all the club(s) can do. Any further
> > litigations would have to be carried out by the members involved in the
bad
> > transaction.
>
> snip
>
> > Dean Mullinax
> > Vice President
> > National DeSoto Club, Inc.
>
> Hemmings Has No Trouble Not Accepting Adds from "venders" that do not
> conduct business fairly. It seems that any organization has choices
> they can make, drawing the line should be a Service to the customers
> and the greater good.
>
> --
> Paul Holmgren
> Hoosier Corps #33, L-6
> 2 57 300-C's in Indy
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:28:31 -0700
From: " Jim McMullan" <macthehammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: FW: explane m.p.g.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim
McMullan
To: Chrysler300
Sent: 10/3/2001 7:17:22 PM
Subject: explain m.p.g.
To Bob Jasninsky and group .The 4 M.P.G. was on the last full run for the F
.Around Feb 1980.San Francisco to Reno and back.Road was clear and dry with 10
Ft. snow banks on both sides.If you lost it you would bend some stuff but
probably not die.I came up on a brace of Porches 2-4bangers and one 6 cyl. They
took me on one at a time.Blue the the doors off the 4rs .The 6 took a
little longer but the long rams packed more air and prevalled.They couldn't
belive that anything that big could go that fast and corner so well.Ah
the old days! After spending the night in Reno the 300 was a bitch to start
.Temp was around 25 deg. far. an I was also tuned for sea level ! Wound up
starting a fire in a coffee can and shoving it under the oil pan . When I
heard the oil popping I hit the starter and the big brute came to life.I didn't
shut it down until I Puled into my drive way in San Bruno-Even for fuel or
snaks.Reminds me I haft to check that oil pan when I pull it down . I
know that is not a far check the fuel mileage but 4 mpg. was all i got.
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Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:31:23 EDT
From: MJMLandDev@xxxxxxx
Subject: (no subject)
The best thing we can all do to a vendor who is unreputable is hurt them
where it counts. In their pocket book. If we stop doing business with the
firm and spread the word to our friends about the firm they will eventually
go out of business. This will probably benefit all of us.
Mike Meyer
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:29:11 -0400
From: "Dean Mullinax" <55des4me@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Well said Mike.
Dean
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Subject: [Chrysler300] (no subject)
> The best thing we can all do to a vendor who is unreputable is hurt them
> where it counts. In their pocket book. If we stop doing business with
the
> firm and spread the word to our friends about the firm they will
eventually
> go out of business. This will probably benefit all of us.
>
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Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 20:10:22 -0700
From: G Barker <gbarker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: FW: explane m.p.g.
I would recommend starting fluid, than a can of fire....Gary Barker
Jim McMullan wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Jim
> McMullan
>
> To: Chrysler300
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> Sent: 10/3/2001 7:17:22 PM
>
> Subject: explain m.p.g.
>
> To Bob Jasninsky and group .The 4 M.P.G. was on the last full run for the F
> .Around Feb 1980.San Francisco to Reno and back.Road was clear and dry with 10
> Ft. snow banks on both sides.If you lost it you would bend some stuff but
> probably not die.I came up on a brace of Porches 2-4bangers and one 6 cyl. They
> took me on one at a time.Blue the the doors off the 4rs .The 6 took a
> little longer but the long rams packed more air and prevalled.They couldn't
> belive that anything that big could go that fast and corner so well.Ah
> the old days! After spending the night in Reno the 300 was a bitch to start
> .Temp was around 25 deg. far. an I was also tuned for sea level ! Wound up
> starting a fire in a coffee can and shoving it under the oil pan . When I
> heard the oil popping I hit the starter and the big brute came to life.I didn't
> shut it down until I Puled into my drive way in San Bruno-Even for fuel or
> snaks.Reminds me I haft to check that oil pan when I pull it down . I
> know that is not a far check the fuel mileage but 4 mpg. was all i got.
> Jim macthehammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 20:23:00 -0700
From: G Barker <gbarker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 300 J or K
Would any members that might have a set of new or good used square
exhaust pipe flanges for the 300 J or K exhaust pipe?......Gary Barker
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 21:46:38 -0700
From: Gary W Nelson <Gary@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Gary Whitehead
Maybe there is hope.
A few months ago when the subject of this thief came up I joined in as of
that time he would not return my original. C grill medallion.
A month or so later guess what arrived? My medallion.
I had sent him prior to the subject a strong letter stating I would start
sending letters every month to all clubs and publications as to his failure
to return items.
I would suggest anybody who has been take do the same and mention all the
clubs and publications you will write to.
My letter must have made some impression.
Good luck.
Gary The Parts Doc
At 07:04 PM 10/3/2001 -0400, MOPARMARX@xxxxxxx wrote:
>John, you know my story about Whitehead, I went to his condo twice and he
>would not come to the door and I know he was home. He is a member of the De
>Soto Club and I could not get them to do a thing about this thief. I have
>names of several others who have sent lens and have NOT got them back. He
>should be banned from all advertising in the new letters.
>
>hal
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