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There are 10 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Whitehead
From: Moon <agmoon@xxxxxxxxxx>
2. Re: Fuel and related
From: mr-320@xxxxxxxxx
3. Re: Gary Whitehead
From: Russ Vaughan <russ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
4. Re: Gary Whitehead
From: "Dean Mullinax" <55des4me@xxxxxxxx>
5. Lost Camera at Banquet
From: "Jess" <jdmiklas@xxxxxxx>
6. Re: Gary Whitehead
From: moparpjf@xxxxxxx
7. Upper A Arm Bushings
From: "Jennifer Allyn" <gearhead.girl@xxxxxxxxxxx>
8. Re: Upper A Arm Bushings
From: MJMLandDev@xxxxxxx
9. Re: West Coast / Suncoast phone number
From: Gary Nelson <Gary@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
10. Re: Fuel and Related
From: RAKFAR@xxxxxxx
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 08:05:54 -0400
From: Moon <agmoon@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Whitehead
Hi Everyone,
Gary Whitehead is not now and has never been a member of the Chrysler 300
Club International, Inc. The club newsletter clearly states on its
Classified Advertising page that, " The editor reserves the right to alter
or eliminate any known misleading or inaccurate information." I think we
may trust our two editors, Eleanor Riehl and Andy Mikonis to uphold our
excellence in accepting only legitimate advertising that enhances our 300's.
Gloria Moon, treasurer
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 05:10:59 -0700 (MST)
From: mr-320@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Fuel and related
i didnt even get 4 mpg on my ram k towing a 66 hemi charger to
detroit where id sold it, i got 9 - 10 towing and 14 driving; and the
carbs were big, 2 - 440 avs's off 440 magnums..
JEFF
tucson az.
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 05:13:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Russ Vaughan <russ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Gary Whitehead
Hi Dean,
I can't believe what I'm reading here. If you get a
series of legitimate complaints against a vendor who
advertises in your medium. I can't see any other
reasonable conclusion that that vendor forfeits the
right to advertise in that, or any other club
sponsored medium.
To me, the NDC is sticking there neck out big time. IF
I bought a '57 Adventurer from this guy and it turned
out to be a Firedome with Adventurer trim and IF I
found out his reputation after the fact and that the
NDC knew of his reputation, you better believe the NDC
would be named in a lawsuit right along with this guy.
In the meantime, until the trustees can work this
out, I would put a disclaimer in with his ad.
"This vendor has a poor reputation and there is a high
likelihood you will loose your money and your parts if
you transact any business with him."
Good Luck!
Russ Vaughan
--- Dean Mullinax <55des4me@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hal, John and all...
>
> The National DeSoto Club is aware of the of the
> accusations about G.
> Whitehead. But, the club cannot be responsible for
> the actions and
> transactions taken or made between members, and Gary
> Whitehead is a member
> as well as yourself. Unfortunately, that gives him
> the right to advertise
> in the club publications. Now that his reputation
> is known, people just
> don't (or shouldn't) do business with him.
>
> The Chrysler 300 Club probably finds themselves in
> the same situation. I am
> not sure if he is a member of this club or not.
>
> John, can you tell me if he is a member of this
> club?
>
> I don't like it either. I have spoken with other
> people that have had bad
> experiences as well. I also think that, based on
> all the unrest he has
> caused, he should not be allowed to renew his
> membership in either club. I
> know that the Trustees of the NDC have spoken about
> this situation and were
> undecided on what action, if any, to take. At what
> point should we, or can
> we, step in on personal transactions? Where do you
> draw the line? Maybe if
> enough complaints are registered with the governing
> board of a given club,
> then the club can act by terminating the membership
> of the person in
> question. But that is about all the club(s) can do.
> Any further
> litigation would have to be carried out by the
> members involved in the bad
> transaction.
>
> It is just ashamed that there has to be someone in
> the old car hobby that
> lacks the morals to keep the hobby fun and clean. I
> personally would not do
> business with the guy, and will voice that opinion
> in both clubs. If it
> comes before the Board again in the NDC, I will ask
> that his membership not
> be continued based on numerous complaints from
> members about him and his way
> of doing business.
>
> Good luck to those of you that were screwed over by
> him. Maybe in the long
> (or short) run he will get what is coming to him....
>
> Dean Mullinax
> Vice President
> National DeSoto Club, Inc.
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 08:20:29 -0400
From: "Dean Mullinax" <55des4me@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Gary Whitehead
Russ,
I checked the back issues of our magazine. He has not advertised in our
magazine since January of 2001. Our editors DO have the right to not place
and ad if they don't feel good about them. I am not sure if our editors
have stopped his advertisments, or if he quit on his own. Remember, I told
you that he was questioned about a bad transaction a year or two back.
We had a fairly complacent Board at that time and I don't know what they
were willing to do about such things. I was either just elected or had just
come aboard... I would never let this type of stuff fly now, and I don't
think the current Board would either.
Don't fight us... we are the good guys too. Sometimes Boards make mistakes
also. Now it is time to correct it. He should have been removed from the
club a while back!
Dean Mullinax
----- Original Message -----
From: "Russ Vaughan" <russ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Dean Mullinax" <55des4me@xxxxxxxx>
Cc: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Gary Whitehead
> Hi Dean,
>
> I can't believe what I'm reading here. If you get a
> series of legitimate complaints against a vendor who
> advertises in your medium. I can't see any other
> reasonable conclusion that that vendor forfeits the
> right to advertise in that, or any other club
> sponsored medium.
>
> To me, the NDC is sticking there neck out big time. IF
> I bought a '57 Adventurer from this guy and it turned
> out to be a Firedome with Adventurer trim and IF I
> found out his reputation after the fact and that the
> NDC knew of his reputation, you better believe the NDC
> would be named in a lawsuit right along with this guy.
> In the meantime, until the trustees can work this
> out, I would put a disclaimer in with his ad.
>
> "This vendor has a poor reputation and there is a high
> likelihood you will loose your money and your parts if
> you transact any business with him."
>
> Good Luck!
>
> Russ Vaughan
>
> --- Dean Mullinax <55des4me@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Hal, John and all...
> >
> > The National DeSoto Club is aware of the of the
> > accusations about G.
> > Whitehead. But, the club cannot be responsible for
> > the actions and
> > transactions taken or made between members, and Gary
> > Whitehead is a member
> > as well as yourself. Unfortunately, that gives him
> > the right to advertise
> > in the club publications. Now that his reputation
> > is known, people just
> > don't (or shouldn't) do business with him.
> >
> > The Chrysler 300 Club probably finds themselves in
> > the same situation. I am
> > not sure if he is a member of this club or not.
> >
> > John, can you tell me if he is a member of this
> > club?
> >
> > I don't like it either. I have spoken with other
> > people that have had bad
> > experiences as well. I also think that, based on
> > all the unrest he has
> > caused, he should not be allowed to renew his
> > membership in either club. I
> > know that the Trustees of the NDC have spoken about
> > this situation and were
> > undecided on what action, if any, to take. At what
> > point should we, or can
> > we, step in on personal transactions? Where do you
> > draw the line? Maybe if
> > enough complaints are registered with the governing
> > board of a given club,
> > then the club can act by terminating the membership
> > of the person in
> > question. But that is about all the club(s) can do.
> > Any further
> > litigation would have to be carried out by the
> > members involved in the bad
> > transaction.
> >
> > It is just ashamed that there has to be someone in
> > the old car hobby that
> > lacks the morals to keep the hobby fun and clean. I
> > personally would not do
> > business with the guy, and will voice that opinion
> > in both clubs. If it
> > comes before the Board again in the NDC, I will ask
> > that his membership not
> > be continued based on numerous complaints from
> > members about him and his way
> > of doing business.
> >
> > Good luck to those of you that were screwed over by
> > him. Maybe in the long
> > (or short) run he will get what is coming to him....
> >
> > Dean Mullinax
> > Vice President
> > National DeSoto Club, Inc.
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:25:02 -0400
From: "Jess" <jdmiklas@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Lost Camera at Banquet
Hi Group!
The lost camera has been found and returned to its rightful owner in Pennsylvania. Seems it wanted a longer vacation so it hitched a ride to Indianapolis.
THANKS TO ALL for their help in the search...............
excepting of course the evil Dr. RedwoodLse, who tried unsuccessfully through the listserver to misappropriate said camera for his own dastardly schemes.
Luckily Elizabeth Weiland's close friend (and our newest club member) , MR. LON DUQUE , uncovered the doctor's plot to unrightfully gain access to the camera, develop the pictures of the banquet, ENLARGE same pictures to full size and wallpaper his bathroom with with those pictures wherein he would then sit on his throne and PRETEND TO ACTUALLY BE AT THE BANQUET.
SO SAD !!!............maybe next time the poor guy will just COME to the banqet
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:21:26 EDT
From: moparpjf@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Gary Whitehead
Hi Guys -
Having done some business with Mr. S--thead some time ago, and being very
familiar with John's experiences with them, I suggest that everyoine who has
had a problem getting their lenses back send me a written account of the
transaction. I will compile them and present them to the appropriate office
of the California States Attorney General's office, and formally ask that the
company be investigated fofr fraud. Actually, should you wish to do so, you
can contact him and just tell him that we plan on taking that course, if the
lenses are not returned, or payment for them made. Either way, I will be
happy to do it, should you guys want me to.
Pete Fitch
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 10:49:19 -0700
From: "Jennifer Allyn" <gearhead.girl@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Upper A Arm Bushings
Does anyone know if the Napa listed Upper A-Arm Bushings for an "H" will be
the same for a NY Wagon?
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 19:27:21 EDT
From: MJMLandDev@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Upper A Arm Bushings
Matt:
The upper control arm bushings are the same for all cars except Dodge. Part
number is 1825317 and there are several NOS bushings around if you want
original.
Mike Meyer
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 17:53:36 -0700
From: Gary Nelson <Gary@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: West Coast / Suncoast phone number
John
I will call and leave a message now. I will tell him that the club members
are planning drastic action including contacting the Attorney Generals office.
I will also demand that he return your lenses as well as all others.
Gary Nelson
At 06:36 PM 10/3/01 -0400, John Hertog wrote:
>Hi again,
>
>It now appears the #$%^&* sorry bastard has discontinued his toll free
>number. Unfortunately, the remaining number is not toll-free. It's (858)
>457-2182 . It's a good number, I just tried it. Please call if you can.
>
>John
>
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 01:08:50 EDT
From: RAKFAR@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Fuel and Related
In a message dated 10/4/2001 2:14:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
<< A b/map sensor will solve the main
problem.But that means F/I .The throttle body F/I would be a way to go
but balance with two on long rams is something I don't want to even
think about.I suppose one could split the system and run it as two 4
cyl.engines
with 2 of everything (oxy.-maps-temp-knock-sensors ect.) But E.F.I sounds
like a
better way to go.Sort of hate to drill the long rams for the injectors but I
have a spare set and the holes can always be plugged and tigg weleded.I
prickled
the engine when I put it away so when I tear it down will go with the hard
seats. >>
To Jim McMullan:
I apologize in advance if I am somewhat confused, but I seem
to have joined this conversation in mid-stream. Having said that, let me next
ask (with all due respect), what the HECK do you think you are doing???
Why would you want to mess us a perfectly nice 300F long ram
car with some kind of kluged-up, cockamamie fuel injection system that
probably won't work right, and shouldn't be necessary anyway?
I own a 300F myself with original long ram and Carter AFB's,
and it runs like a freight train on 92 octane pump gas without modifications
or additives of any kind. Starts, idles, and pulls strong to max revs without
any problem whatsoever. The secret? When the engine was overhauled a few
years back, we dropped the compression ratio to 9.2 to 1 (from the stock 10.2
to 1). Computer simulations indicate that change cost me about 10-12
horsepower, no more.
If you absolutely don't want to run your original dual Carter
AFB's (some people can't seem to get them tuned; I don't know why), then put
them aside and get yourself a pair of new Edelbrock AFB clones. I know a Hemi
restorer who swears by them for Hemis, and will use nothing else.
If you can't bear lowering your compression to 9.2 (and the
loss of 12 horsepower, which you can make up in a variety of ways, like mild
porting), and you absolutely insist on having high (10:1 or more)
compression, then get yourself a simple water injection unit and tap it into
your manifold in some hidden place where it will feed both banks equally
(heck, you could probably feed it into a crossover tube from underneath and
nobody would be the wiser). With a simple, properly set-up water injection
unit, you could probably go as high as 13 to 1 on pump gas, if you wanted.
But for heaven's sake, don't butcher your crossram. You'll
probably live to regret it, and if you don't, the next dozen owners after you
WILL. I guarantee it.
300F'ly,
Roger Karlson
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