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There are 18 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. 300k convertiable well liner question
From: Rinda Van Lennep <ednavan9@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
2. Question
From: Phil Greenfeld <pgreen413@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
3. 58 300D stuff and F.I.,too!
From: "L.Andrew Jugle <lajugle@xxxxxxxxx>" <lajugle@xxxxxxxxx>
4. Fwd: Question
From: William Huff <whuff@xxxxxxxxxx>
5. Firing order 300K
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
6. Auto show pictures...
From: "L.Andrew Jugle <lajugle@xxxxxxxxx>" <lajugle@xxxxxxxxx>
7. I guess security won't allow link to work. Drat.
From: "L.Andrew Jugle <lajugle@xxxxxxxxx>" <lajugle@xxxxxxxxx>
8. Fw: Freedom Magazine
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
9. Re: Question
From: jlsavard@xxxxxxx
10. 300C engine # 3NE572923.....
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
11. Re: Fw: Freedom Magazine
From: mjraguse@xxxxxxx
12. '58 Bendix EFI
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
13. 1958 Plymouth Fury FI Car
From: quentsmith@xxxxxxx
14. Re: 1958 Plymouth Fury FI Car
From: sherwoodk@xxxxxxx
15. Re: Question
From: "Laurence G. Johnson" <laurence_g_johnson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
16. My 300C at Chicago Auto Show!!
From: "L.Andrew Jugle <lajugle@xxxxxxxxx>" <lajugle@xxxxxxxxx>
17. Re: My 300C at Chicago Auto Show!!
From: ronbo97@xxxxxxxxx
18. bill needs 57 coupe windshield
From: Bill <bleahy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:30:43 -0800
From: Rinda Van Lennep <ednavan9@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 300k convertiable well liner question
Need some help,
I am having a top shop put a new top and well liner on my 300K
convertible.
Because it has been a work in progress so long there are a lot of items
missing from
the top and well liner areas.
The present question is: Are there clips that attach the top well liner
to
the body along the rear edge or how is it attached?
Any insight, help, references, people to talk to or pictures etc. would
be appreciated.
Thanks
Van Lennep
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 16:52:27 -0800
From: Phil Greenfeld <pgreen413@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Question
hello,
here is a question for all of you smart people.
On My K I am getting fuel but no spark, What is the correct firing
order for this car? It has a single 4-Barrel without the ram induction.
Oh By the way the last message I sent I spelled CEASERS wrong.
PLEASE PLEASE forgive me.
Thanks for the help,
phil
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 01:47:45 -0000
From: "L.Andrew Jugle <lajugle@xxxxxxxxx>" <lajugle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 58 300D stuff and F.I.,too!
1) At Walgreens today: "Quiz Show" on VHS for $3.99. Not bad deal.
2) In 1958 a neighbor who was a reactor Physicist at Argonne Nat'l
Lab ordered a D convert with F.I. ....which was delivered with
carbureturs. He was pissed. Car was delivered about late April or
so---and I never did get serial # of car. He was so ticked at
dealer, he only had it serviced at "Happy Harry's" garage. The
mechanic was so enamored of engine he put those racy little screened
air cleaners on it. In the crisp fall air of 1960, it backfired in a
ball of flame and was totalled.
3) Not only does Chicago Auto Show have '55 C-300 on floor with E-
photos being taken, they have Danbury 300C's on display, but no one
knows why!!! Do some dealers still have the boutiques for all that
MoPar stuff?? They also have the 1:24 Danbury '41 T&C models on
display.
4) The '55 C-300 is being mauled and finger printed. On Charity
Night it was UNLOCKED!! Some clown from Chrysler was showing engine
to people and SLAMMED hood like it was a Chevy Biscayne.
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:49:49 -0500
From: William Huff <whuff@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Fwd: Question
>>Hi Phil,
For all B & RB engines the firing order should be
1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2. Distributor should rotate counterclockwise.
A couple of questions, how do you know you are getting no spark? An easy
way to check, if you don't have a spark tester, is with a spark plug
attached to a spark plug wire and the threaded portion grounded to the
engine block. If you don't see a hot blue spark, something is wrong. It
is not recommended to take a lead off a spark plug and hold it near the
engine to see if it sparks. That method usually involves a much larger gap
than the spark plug gap and can kill the ignition on an electronic system,
and it can result in very high voltage spikes on a point type system that
can jump inside the distributor cap and begin a carbon trail.
If you have a point type distributor, try popping the cap off and and
cleaning the point surfaces with a non-conductive abrasive. Very fine
sandpaper is good, try not to let any sand fall into the distributor and
clean any residue off the point surfaces before re-assembly. I have found
this can help a reluctant vehicle start after sitting for a long time. I
think the points get a non-conductive coating on them when not used for a
long time.
Another thing to check is to rotate the engine with the cap off and make
sure the points open and close. The actual gap is not that critical
just for starting purposes, but should definitely close well and open
completely. If the rubbing block is worn out, it might not be possible
to adjust the points to both open and close on cue. Examine the rotor and
inside the cap for carbon trails or breakage that might cause a
short. Make sure the coil secondary lead is securely into the top of the
distributor.
Hope this helps, I have experienced all these conditions at one time or
another and they can drive you mad.
Bill Huff
>>hello,
>>here is a question for all of you smart people.
>>On My K I am getting fuel but no spark, What is the correct firing
>>order for this car? It has a single 4-Barrel without the ram induction.
>>Oh By the way the last message I sent I spelled CEASERS wrong.
>>PLEASE PLEASE forgive me.
>>Thanks for the help,
>>phil
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:48:49 -0500
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Firing order 300K
Hi Phil,
Off top of my head - firing order is: 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2
John Hertog
Sag Harbor NY
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Greenfeld" <pgreen413@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 7:52 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] Question
> hello,
> here is a question for all of you smart people.
> On My K I am getting fuel but no spark, What is the correct firing
> order for this car? It has a single 4-Barrel without the ram induction.
> Oh By the way the last message I sent I spelled CEASERS wrong.
> PLEASE PLEASE forgive me.
> Thanks for the help,
> phil
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 01:52:28 -0000
From: "L.Andrew Jugle <lajugle@xxxxxxxxx>" <lajugle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Auto show pictures...
I'll try this one now... <<http://www.chrysler-
photos.com/autoshow/photo.cfm?
BID=ARC4ZM7NFK&PID=1061430804220&Email=lajugle@xxxxxxxxx&T=4>>
Try this. Tomorrow will be the kicker.
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 01:57:02 -0000
From: "L.Andrew Jugle <lajugle@xxxxxxxxx>" <lajugle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: I guess security won't allow link to work. Drat.
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:57:46 -0500
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Fw: Freedom Magazine
Ray Moodie (UK) says:
----- Original Message -----
From: "ray moodie" <ray@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 3:10 PM
Subject: Freedom Magazine
> Hi John
> I have trouble sending a message to list server probably settings.
>
> Re: the Freedom Magazine I phoned Helen Rodiss this morning, she says it
is
> a magazine for Daimler Chrysler there are 3 issue's a year.
>
> Any one wishing to send any articles in as she described in her message on
> the list server,would have to be in by the end of April for the winter
2003
> issue.
> She is very kindly sending me a copy, so I will let you know what it's
like.
>
> Ray
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:04:29 EST
From: jlsavard@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Question
In a message dated 02/20/2003 7:53:07 PM Central Standard Time,
whuff@xxxxxxxxxx writes:
<< Another thing to check is to rotate the engine with the cap off and make
sure the points open and close. The actual gap is not that critical
just for starting purposes, but should definitely close well and open
completely. If the rubbing block is worn out, it might not be possible
to adjust the points to both open and close on cue. Examine the rotor and
inside the cap for carbon trails or breakage that might cause a
short. Make sure the coil secondary lead is securely into the top of the
distributor. >>
Another thing to check is to be sure that the pivot of the point set is free.
I tried to start my engine when I first got it from a junkyard, and it
wouldn't start even though the points were opening and closing. I found that
the arm was bending! When I freed it up, instrant start!
Joe Savard
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:08:10 +1300
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 300C engine # 3NE572923.....
Anyone on the list looking for this motor vin # to reunite with the matching car? Seller has indicated that the 9 could be an 8 or 3...the storage shed was dark!
Owen
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:40:59 EST
From: mjraguse@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Fw: Freedom Magazine
In a message dated 2/20/2003 8:02:04 PM Central Standard Time,
crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
<< e: the Freedom Magazine I phoned Helen Rodiss this morning, she says it
is
> a magazine for Daimler Chrysler there are 3 issue's a year.
>
> Any one wishing to send any articles in as she described in her message on
> the list server,would have to be in by the end of April for the winter
2003
> issue.
> She is very kindly sending me a copy, so I will let you know what it's
like.
>
> Ray
> >>
Freedom Magazine is a top quality magazine published for European
distribution to Chrysler dealers and customers. It is a glossy magazine with
articles of travel / European life style / and Chrysler Euro products. In
the past stories on Chrysler design / Chrysler 300's / Virgil Exner /
Airflows / etc have been included.
Marv Raguse
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:01:31 -0600
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: '58 Bendix EFI
The "35 produced" number seems to always stick around and is probably verifiable somewhere. Of that 21 were Chrysler 300Ds and the rest were scattered between DeSoto and Dodge. I don't recall hearing that any Plymouths were factory so-equipped. Within this club, the best known car and owner having two EFI units was Bob Dupin and that was a case of finding the two units long after the car had been retrofitted at the factory. One of Bob's units was the Bendix display assembly as seen in the few existing factory photos that show up in books and publications. Of course Sherwood Kahlenburg has three EFI D hardtop cars and says they will all 3 run on EFI one of these days. One EFI '58 DeSoto Adventurer convertible is owned by one of our members. He found a DeSoto EFI a couple of months ago and the car is now running with it on. One EFI Dodge is known to exist as found in a gully by one of the Forwardlook list members about 3 years ago in tough condition but with EFI intact. I believe he may still be doing research on that car.
Wayne
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 23:08:02 EST
From: quentsmith@xxxxxxx
Subject: 1958 Plymouth Fury FI Car
I was at the Chrysler Proving Grounds dedication in late 1957 and they had a
number of preproduction cars there on display. One of those cars was a
Plymouth Fury with the FI system and the appropriate badges on the car. I was
only 15 years old at the time. My Dad, Richard J. Smith, was a Chrysler
engineer there and we lived in Chelsea starting in 1953 and 30 years after
that. Quentin Smith
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 23:21:10 EST
From: sherwoodk@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: 1958 Plymouth Fury FI Car
I have a factory photo of the Plymouth Fury FI car. It was taken at the
Proving Grounds.
Sherwood Kahlenberg
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 00:57:54 -0500
From: "Laurence G. Johnson" <laurence_g_johnson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Question
Phil,
Here is the cylinder layout for the B-RB engine:
Left Right
Bank Bank
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
Firing Order: 1, 8, 4, 3, 6, 5, 7, 2
Larry Johnson
>From: Phil Greenfeld <pgreen413@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [Chrysler300] Question
>Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 16:52:27 -0800
>hello,
>here is a question for all of you smart people.
>On My K I am getting fuel but no spark, What is the correct firing
>order for this car? It has a single 4-Barrel without the ram induction.
>Oh By the way the last message I sent I spelled CEASERS wrong.
>PLEASE PLEASE forgive me.
>Thanks for the help,
>phil
>
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 15:05:10 -0000
From: "L.Andrew Jugle <lajugle@xxxxxxxxx>" <lajugle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: My 300C at Chicago Auto Show!!
Hope this link works this time:
http://www.chrysler-photos.com/autoshow/photo.htm?
PID=1061430415723&BID=A9CXKJPRT3&Email=lajugle@xxxxxxxxx&T=2
Thanks to George McKovich, who figured out last link had space added
by computer. Remove space, it works.
There were 4 of the models there, NONE with hood up!
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 15:18:41 +0000
From: ronbo97@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: My 300C at Chicago Auto Show!!
Andy -
Just see the one pic of you pointing to the models. Are there any others ?
Ron
> Hope this link works this time:
>
> http://www.chrysler-photos.com/autoshow/photo.htm?
> PID=1061430415723&BID=A9CXKJPRT3&Email=lajugle@xxxxxxxxx&T=2
>
> Thanks to George McKovich, who figured out last link had space added
> by computer. Remove space, it works.
>
> There were 4 of the models there, NONE with hood up!
>
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:28:02 -0800
From: Bill <bleahy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: bill needs 57 coupe windshield
this is bill of bill's basket case in kennewick washington.
all is well on this front / crocuses are a bloomin' / no snow all winter.
i am in need of a windshield...what is available out there?
also need a really good left tail light housing.
bill leahy
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