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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Looking for NJ bodyshop recommendations
From: Brian Hagen <brian.hagen@xxxxxxxxxxx>
2.
From: Ben Meisner <meisnerinc@xxxxxxx>
3. Why this list is such a hoot!!
From: Redwoodlse@xxxxxxx
4.
From: Ben Meisner <meisnerinc@xxxxxxx>
5. Chryslers At Carlisle
From: News4ge@xxxxxxx
6. Re:
From: "obiwan10" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxx>
7. RE: Chryslers At Carlisle
From: Mark Souders <souders@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
8. NEW 300C from Chrysler!
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
9. RE: NEW 300C from Chrysler!
From: john_nowosacki@xxxxxxxxxxx
10. New 300C article
From: "Charles M. Kreszock" <kreszockcm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
11. Re: NEW 300C from Chrysler!
From: "patrick grant" <gran102@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
12. New 300C
From: "Brad Werner" <bwerner@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
13. Re: NEW 300C from Chrysler!
From: "Tom Cox" <tdcox@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
14. Re: NEW 300C from Chrysler!
From: RONVE@xxxxxxx
15. Re: NEW 300C from Chrysler!
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
16. New 300 -- Ugh!
From: mwl1967@xxxxxxx
17. Re: NEW 300C from Chrysler!
From: "Johnl" <john@xxxxxxxxx>
18. RE: NEW 300C from Chrysler!
From: john_nowosacki@xxxxxxxxxxx
19. Another one bites the dust
From: FOR26HEMI@xxxxxxx
20. Re: NEW 300C from Chrysler!
From: dan300f@xxxxxxx
21. RE: NEW 300C from Chrysler!
From: doug_jones@xxxxxxxxxxx
22. Re: NEW 300C from Chrysler!
From: "Warren R Anderson" <wranderson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
23. Chrysler Heads Upscale with 300C Sedan
From: "Stragand, Dave" <dave.stragand@xxxxxxxxxxx>
24. Re: Another one bites the dust
From: paul holmgren <paulholm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
25. Re: New 300C
From: paul holmgren <paulholm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:37:34 -0400
From: Brian Hagen <brian.hagen@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Looking for NJ bodyshop recommendations
Hello,
The car is stripped, empty and ready to go into the body shop but....which
one? Does anyone have a body shop in Northern NJ that they recommend or
ones they don¹t? Any and all comments appreciated, ones you¹ve heard about,
ones you¹ve used. Ill take any info I can get!
Thanks,
Brian
http://www.brianhagen.com/challenger <--- take a look at the victim
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:52:18 -0700
From: Ben Meisner <meisnerinc@xxxxxxx>
Subject:
Folks
Could I seek your input into what sort of tires I put on my E- it calls for 900-14 . I don't want tires that are to short and look awful, do I go to bias -ply or radial ? The rims are 6 1x2
x 14 inch.
Thanks
Ben Meisner
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 18:43:36 EDT
From: Redwoodlse@xxxxxxx
Subject: Why this list is such a hoot!!
A few weeks ago I was looking for a 66 300 convertible on this list. Don
Rook sees the post and now the score is Rook minus one, Jett plus one.
About the same time I whine for a replacement C for the hip of my 300C.
Bartusca has bought a NOS medallion from Mitchell (300C) but he has a 300E.
What did I have extra? An E. Everbody wins!! And to think I hated computers
for so long.
Larry W Jett
950 Woodside Road Suite 4
Redwood City CA 94061
650 368 3966
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:29:19 -0700
From: Ben Meisner <meisnerinc@xxxxxxx>
Subject:
Gang;
Thanks for your help, Coker tires indeed even has dealers in this part of the world, so I will get the tires recommended , thanks again for your help
Ben Meisner
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 22:58:07 EDT
From: News4ge@xxxxxxx
Subject: Chryslers At Carlisle
Anybody showing their letter cars at Carlisle this year (July 11-13)?
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 02:04:23 -0700
From: "obiwan10" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re:
I would look at Diamondback Classics before signing on the line for Coker Tires.
Roger Schaaf
300 B Calif
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Subject: [Chrysler300]
Gang;
Thanks for your help, Coker tires indeed even has dealers in this part of the world, so I will get the tires recommended , thanks again for your help
Ben Meisner
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:52:03 -0400
From: Mark Souders <souders@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Chryslers At Carlisle
I'll be there with my H.
Mark Souders
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 07:28:45 -0500
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: NEW 300C from Chrysler!
Click the link to see the new 300C from Chrysler!
http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=5945
When you have seen the car and read the article, I have a hunch there will be some comments from among the members, particularly those who own the ORIGINAL 300C.
Ahem, ahem.
Wayne
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:43:13 -0600
From: john_nowosacki@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: NEW 300C from Chrysler!
There are only two pictures of the car, so it might not be a fair assessment, but I'd have to say, "Sorry, try again". I've been saving up for the Hemi C convert concept from a couple years ago. Now, that's my idea of a new letter car. NO FOUR DOORS, unless they want to bring back the 'non-letter' 300 designation (as I believe they should have with the original M).
Just one mans opinion. I currently own a G vert, and a C coupe, but have owned a 55 C300, G coupe, 62 non-letter, and 70 Hurst in the past.
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Graefen [mailto:wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 8:29 AM
To: Intl 300
Subject: [Chrysler300] NEW 300C from Chrysler!
Click the link to see the new 300C from Chrysler!
http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=5945
When you have seen the car and read the article, I have a hunch there will be some comments from among the members, particularly those who own the ORIGINAL 300C.
Ahem, ahem.
Wayne
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:10:29 -0400
From: "Charles M. Kreszock" <kreszockcm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: New 300C article
Group,
Marty wrote the article. Tell him what you think.
marty@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Mick
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:31:37 -0400
From: "patrick grant" <gran102@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: NEW 300C from Chrysler!
they are wasting their time until they put some FINS on those new versions. and have you ever seen fins on a daimler.? by the way, what is a daimler? has anyone ever seen a daimler?
----- Original Message -----
From: john_nowosacki@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 8:43 AM
Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] NEW 300C from Chrysler!
There are only two pictures of the car, so it might not be a fair assessment, but I'd have to say, "Sorry, try again". I've been saving up for the Hemi C convert concept from a couple years ago. Now, that's my idea of a new letter car. NO FOUR DOORS, unless they want to bring back the 'non-letter' 300 designation (as I believe they should have with the original M).
Just one mans opinion. I currently own a G vert, and a C coupe, but have owned a 55 C300, G coupe, 62 non-letter, and 70 Hurst in the past.
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From: Wayne Graefen [mailto:wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 8:29 AM
To: Intl 300
Subject: [Chrysler300] NEW 300C from Chrysler!
Click the link to see the new 300C from Chrysler!
http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=5945
When you have seen the car and read the article, I have a hunch there will be some comments from among the members, particularly those who own the ORIGINAL 300C.
Ahem, ahem.
Wayne
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:46:27 -0400
From: "Brad Werner" <bwerner@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: New 300C
I have to agree with John. Try again. My idea of a special letter car was the HEMI C convertible concept. This new design does not fit my criteria for a I really would love to own,drive and be seen in vehicle. Seems the letter car concept is gone if this is what will be the future. Hemi yes,rear wheel drive yes. Need to get some pizzaz into the new design or morph it into the HEMI C convertible. Once again marketing has used and abused the 300 letter car designation.
Just my 2 cents
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:04:45 -0400
From: "Tom Cox" <tdcox@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: NEW 300C from Chrysler!
Looks like a cross between a Cadillac and a Lincoln Town Car.
I agree; I vote for a sporty coupe and a convertible. Too bad they didn't
ask first, before spending $200-300 million.
>
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> From: Wayne Graefen [mailto:wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 8:29 AM
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> Subject: [Chrysler300] NEW 300C from Chrysler!
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> Click the link to see the new 300C from Chrysler!
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> http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=5945
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> When you have seen the car and read the article, I have a hunch there
will be some comments from among the members, particularly those who own the
ORIGINAL 300C.
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> Ahem, ahem.
> Wayne
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:23:19 EDT
From: RONVE@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: NEW 300C from Chrysler!
Nice ... kinda ... looking car, probably handles well, reminds me of a cross
between a Caddie and a Mercedes.
Ain't no 300 though.
In a message dated 4/16/2003 7:30:21 AM Central Daylight Time,
wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:01:47 -0500
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: NEW 300C from Chrysler!
Daimler automobile history can be read at:
http://www.vandenplas.com/daimler/dhist.htm
and the early '60s Mercedes sedans were known as the "fin bodies" because they had a sort of junior scale '57 Thunderbird-like fin.
But I certainly agree that fins would BEGIN to make this new 300 a 300C
Wayne
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To: wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; john_nowosacki@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] NEW 300C from Chrysler!
they are wasting their time until they put some FINS on those new versions. and have you ever seen fins on a daimler.? by the way, what is a daimler? has anyone ever seen a daimler?
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:05:33 EDT
From: mwl1967@xxxxxxx
Subject: New 300 -- Ugh!
Well... kudos to them for the new drivetrain but what a butt-ugly
mug. (imo) Four door issues aside... how or why they went from the sleek
looking 300M to that barn door is beyond me. Kinda reminiscent of that
killer car from that 70's movie I believe called "the car".
Hmmm... maybe there's a way to shoehorn the Hemi and 5 speed into my
'99
Mike Laiserin
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:12:38 -0700
From: "Johnl" <john@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: NEW 300C from Chrysler!
I would like to offer possibly a different approach to this. We as enthusiast of Letter Cars is great, but we look at things entirely different than the majority of the buying public. The buyer of a Chrysler 300M for the most part has no interest in earlier examples of the mark. They simply purchase it because they like the styling, value or the deal they can make versus the competition.
Living in Southern California where there are more cars and probably car nuts than most anywhere else I've experienced virtually no interest from the drivers of a 300M. Whether it be a week day or weekend if I take one of my four letter cars out for a drive on surface streets or the freeway I always watch the reaction of the driver of a 300M when I pass. Nine times out of ten there is simply no reaction.
This past weekend we drove our 300F from Orange County to the Spring Fling show in the San Fernando Valley some 50+ miles away. I probably passed 6 or more 300M's on this trip with no reaction from any of the owners. Even in stop and go traffic which we encountered and being next to one of the "new breed" for some time and distance there is no reaction. I did get several thumbs up, honks and even questions about our car in slow traffic, but not one comment from a 300M owner. With this area being strong in the foreign car arena and high dollar ones at that we get far more recognition I think because a lot of these folks are "car people" and take an interest in something different and unique.
My point is that the current buyer of these cars is for the most part no interested in the car other than an object to get them from point A to B. Chrysler will sell them to the general public weather we approve or not. There is a saying out here about AM's and that simply means "automotive morons".
John Lazenby
C300, 300B, 300C & 300F owner
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From: "patrick grant" <gran102@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <john_nowosacki@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] NEW 300C from Chrysler!
> they are wasting their time until they put some FINS on those new versions. and have you ever seen fins on a daimler.? by the way, what is a daimler? has anyone ever seen a daimler?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: john_nowosacki@xxxxxxxxxxx
> To: wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 8:43 AM
> Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] NEW 300C from Chrysler!
>
>
> There are only two pictures of the car, so it might not be a fair assessment, but I'd have to say, "Sorry, try again". I've been saving up for the Hemi C convert concept from a couple years ago. Now, that's my idea of a new letter car. NO FOUR DOORS, unless they want to bring back the 'non-letter' 300 designation (as I believe they should have with the original M).
> Just one mans opinion. I currently own a G vert, and a C coupe, but have owned a 55 C300, G coupe, 62 non-letter, and 70 Hurst in the past.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wayne Graefen [mailto:wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 8:29 AM
> To: Intl 300
> Subject: [Chrysler300] NEW 300C from Chrysler!
>
>
> Click the link to see the new 300C from Chrysler!
>
> http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=5945
>
> When you have seen the car and read the article, I have a hunch there will be some comments from among the members, particularly those who own the ORIGINAL 300C.
>
> Ahem, ahem.
> Wayne
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:11:33 -0600
From: john_nowosacki@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: NEW 300C from Chrysler!
upon closer inspection, those "fin" Mercedes looked more like the equivalent Ramblers of the day. The only Rambler I want is the 57 Rebel (and they goofed and made it a 4dr, too!). If I wasn't deep into a 57 C resto, I might have gone for the Rebel that was recently on ebay. I believe it was faster than a C from 0-60 (not close on top end though)
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Graefen [mailto:wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 11:02 AM
To: patrick grant; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; john_nowosacki@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] NEW 300C from Chrysler!
Daimler automobile history can be read at:
http://www.vandenplas.com/daimler/dhist.htm <http://www.vandenplas.com/daimler/dhist.htm>
and the early '60s Mercedes sedans were known as the "fin bodies" because they had a sort of junior scale '57 Thunderbird-like fin.
But I certainly agree that fins would BEGIN to make this new 300 a 300C
Wayne
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From: patrick <mailto:gran102@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> grant
To: wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ; john_nowosacki@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:john_nowosacki@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] NEW 300C from Chrysler!
they are wasting their time until they put some FINS on those new versions. and have you ever seen fins on a daimler.? by the way, what is a daimler? has anyone ever seen a daimler?
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:40:56 EDT
From: FOR26HEMI@xxxxxxx
Subject: Another one bites the dust
Well Gang,
So I am in the middle of getting my '62 Savoy driveable, not the least
of which requires the removal and cleaning of the gastank, havibg 10+ years
of barnacles inside and the sender/ pick up tube is all crusted up. So I
order some gastank related parts and discover that our beloved MA Mopar just
NS1'd the 5/16" tank sock! Talk about callous disregard for the company
heritage! The p/n of this part is 1670 694, so you know it has been around
since '56 or so....95 % of all Chrysler vehicles used this until about '89 or
so when injection used in tank pumps and obsoleted their use. So my question
is this....how good are their intentions (DC) to back us(previous customers,
and preservers of their history) in the preservation of these cars when they
discontinue a basic part, that obviously must have made some profit. I see it
as talking out of both sides of their mouth....showing their real colors!
Am I ticked? YOU BET! Watch the aftermarket on these, once the
dealer has none, "price controls" are off. My advice, if your dealer has them
BUY 'EM. How did my dealer know so quick? They had just tried to update their
stock and coulkd not get any for themselves. Any body have a dealer with a
bunch, I would like 6 myself, they used to be around $6 apiece. Thanks for
listening, Dan
...."One Nation, UNDER GOD"....(no matter what a crackpot judge says!")
'62 Plymouth Sport Fury
'62 Plymouth Fury wagon
'62 Plymouth Fury 4-dr.
'62 Plymouth Savoy 2-dr
'68 Coronet R/T Hemi
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:15:17 EDT
From: dan300f@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: NEW 300C from Chrysler!
Hi all:
Now ya'll don't expect the designers to come up with something resembling
past 300 letter cars when they do not even know what they are.
A couple of years ago, I went to the Auto Show in Los Angeles. I wore a
sweat shirt with the 300F emblem painted on the front. I went up to
Chrysler's sales desk and the first thing some salesman asked me was, "Is
that a Mercedes?" I chewed his posterior out for not knowing the history of
his product. I went around to other sales persons and not one of them knew
what an early 300 letter car was, even though there were hundreds of pictures
of letter cars making up a collage to advertise the 300M.
I would suspect that none of the designers were even in diapers when the
last letter car was produced. I see pictures all the time of design teams
for the Japanese cars in newspapers and magazines and none of them appear to
be out of their 20's or early 30's.
So, how would one expect the design of a modern letter car to be anything
other than folowing the lines of the look-a-like cars on the road today. The
ony car I see on the raod today that even gives a hint of yesterday is the
Thunderbird. I can visualize the '55-'57 Birds in the new design.
So, get you ass in gear Daimler!!!! Give us an appropriate design.
Enough fer now!
Dan Reitz
Northridge, CA
300F
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:30:39 -0600
From: doug_jones@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: NEW 300C from Chrysler!
Hi list,
My two cents is that, indeed, the design teams doing 2005 cars relate to letter cars (last one built 40 years prior) about the way Virgil Exner related to cars from 1915 (also 40 years prior to the C300). Which is to say, he did not, and they don't either. The confusion comes from the use of the name from a golden oldie and the 'pitch' involving the heritage of the Brutes. Personally, I have the ex-Jett 300M and find it to be an astonishingly good car with amazing room, handling, and comfort. But it has nothing in common with my '63 Pace Car, much less a letter car, except the name.
One must also consider that there is virually no market for a big 4 / 5 seat two door car. Chevy, with the Monte Carlo, is one of precious few building such a car today, and I don't get the idea that they are getting rich doing it.
But styles change, and the 4 seat coupe may make a comeback later on. I agree with the writer who was left cold by this new design and wanted the Hemi-C convertible. Ditto, brother!
Cheers,
Doug Jones
Boulder Creek, CA, a little too close to Jett Ranch when Lefty is selling stuff ...
-----Original Message-----
From: dan300f@xxxxxxx [mailto:dan300f@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 10:15 AM
To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] NEW 300C from Chrysler!
Hi all:
Now ya'll don't expect the designers to come up with something resembling
past 300 letter cars when they do not even know what they are.
A couple of years ago, I went to the Auto Show in Los Angeles. I wore a
sweat shirt with the 300F emblem painted on the front. I went up to
Chrysler's sales desk and the first thing some salesman asked me was, "Is
that a Mercedes?" I chewed his posterior out for not knowing the history of
his product. I went around to other sales persons and not one of them knew
what an early 300 letter car was, even though there were hundreds of pictures
of letter cars making up a collage to advertise the 300M.
I would suspect that none of the designers were even in diapers when the
last letter car was produced. I see pictures all the time of design teams
for the Japanese cars in newspapers and magazines and none of them appear to
be out of their 20's or early 30's.
So, how would one expect the design of a modern letter car to be anything
other than folowing the lines of the look-a-like cars on the road today. The
ony car I see on the raod today that even gives a hint of yesterday is the
Thunderbird. I can visualize the '55-'57 Birds in the new design.
So, get you ass in gear Daimler!!!! Give us an appropriate design.
Enough fer now!
Dan Reitz
Northridge, CA
300F
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:59:20 -0700
From: "Warren R Anderson" <wranderson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: NEW 300C from Chrysler!
>I would suspect that none of the designers were even in diapers when the
>last letter car was produced. I see pictures all the time of design teams
>for the Japanese cars in newspapers and magazines and none of them appear
to
>be out of their 20's or early 30's.
There is a special that I have enjoyed. Don't remember where but it has been
on multiple times on some channel on our C band satellite. The special is on
the design and initial production of the new Harley V-Rod. Totally
fascinating to me as to who was represented as being ultimately responsible
for the concept and product ID continuity of the V-Rod machine.
Warren Anderson
Sedona,AZ
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:09:06 -0400
From: "Stragand, Dave" <dave.stragand@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Chrysler Heads Upscale with 300C Sedan
The 300C name is back again! Should be out next year, and with a Hemi.
=) But where's that nice looking 300 Hemi C Convertible?
-Dave
Chrysler heads upscale with 300C sedan
Wednesday April 16, 1:49 pm ET
By Justin Hyde
NEW YORK, April 16 (Reuters) - DaimlerChrysler AG's (NYSE:DCX - News;
XETRA:DCXGn.DE - News) Chrysler arm unveiled the 300C sedan concept car
on Wednesday, its boldest attempt yet to recapture some of the
near-luxury status the Chrysler brand once held.
The rear-wheel-drive car, which closely mimics a model that will go on
sale next year, ties a 300-horsepower V8 to a Mercedes transmission and
driveline. Instead of using the "cab-forward" design of its current
large sedans, the 300C revives a formal, upright style and large front
grill that Chrysler says will be its future look.
While Chryslers once competed with Cadillacs as luxury cars decades ago,
most Chryslers today cost less than $30,000. But this year's new models,
the Mercedes-based Crossfire coupe and the Pacifica wagon, both carry
price tags of more than $32,000. A fully loaded Pacifica can break
$40,000 -- heady territory for a brand whose only other near-luxury
offering is the Town & County minivan.
Chrysler Chief Executive Dieter Zetsche has long argued that the
incentive-driven sales approach led by General Motors Corp. (NYSE:GM -
News) was destructive, teaching customers to buy on price instead of
real demand.
He said Chrysler's new models were as much about offering more value for
consumers as they were about getting more money for the Chrysler name.
"It's not a new market for us," Zetsche said, noting the Town & County's
price tag. "It's just more product in that one area."
Wes Brown, an industry analyst with Nextrend, said the near-luxury
market Chrysler was targeting was one of the most competitive in the
United States, but also one with high potential for growth.
"To move into that segment where you haven't been before -- it's going
to be a difficult transition, being that the brand image associated with
the name Chrysler is weaker than the majority of the competition," Brown
said.
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Chrysler Redefines the Classic American Automobile
with Worldwide Reveal of 300C Concept
Combines Elegant Design, Noble Proportions
Production Version of Chrysler 300C Concept to Arrive in Chrysler
Dealerships in 2004
All-New Platform Features Contemporary HEMI Power, Rear-Wheel Drive
Performance
Chrysler 300C Celebrates 50th Anniversary of Famous 'Letter Series' Cars
Chrysler 300C, Along with All-New 2004 Chrysler Pacifica and Crossfire,
Propel Brand into Premium Market Position
Auburn Hills, Mich., Apr. 16, 2003 -Today, Chrysler redefines the
classic American automobile with the worldwide debut of the Chrysler
300C concept at the 2003 New York International Auto Show. With an
entirely new shape based on the company's all-new rear-drive
architecture, this striking concept sedan continues the Chrysler brand's
proud 'letter series' tradition - but in a thoroughly modern way.
It's been nearly five decades since Chrysler first introduced its fabled
'letter series' cars. The brand's renowned line of Chrysler 300s
started with the C-300 in 1955, and continued for 11 years. Few American
automakers have since matched their reputation for blending performance,
prestige and sheer presence.
Chrysler 300C features classic proportions -- a long hood, short deck
and a dramatic profile complete with 20-inch tires. Paying tribute to
some of the first letter series cars, a production version similar to
the Chrysler 300C concept will go on sale in 2004, further solidifying
the Chrysler brand's premium position in the market.
"Chrysler 300C signals a dramatic new design direction for Chrysler,"
said Dieter Zetsche, President and CEO of the Chrysler Group. "With its
new shape and noble proportions, the Chrysler 300C redefines the classic
American automobile, while moving the brand solidly into the premium
segment of the market."
While Chrysler 300C is a concept vehicle, it provides a strong hint at
the first sedan from Chrysler Group's much-anticipated next generation
of rear-wheel drive vehicles to debut in 2004.
"With recent introductions including the innovative Chrysler Pacifica
sports tourer and the head-turning Crossfire sports coupe, and now the
all-new 300C, the Chrysler brand has one of the most impressive product
portfolios in the industry," added Zetsche. "These vehicles will enable
us to move the Chrysler brand to a premium position within the U.S.
market."
Transferring all this power to the pavement is Chrysler's new rear-drive
architecture. Rear-wheel drive offers improved handling with front
wheels steering and rear wheels driving. With tremendous advances in
tire technology and electronic stability control, Chrysler brings back
the rear-wheel drive passenger sedan.
The Chrysler 300C concept also marks the return of the HEMI engine to
the Chrysler brand after more than 30 years. The legendary engine
design that powered Chrysler's 'letter series' cars in the 1950s has
been re-engineered and reborn as a modern, high-performance,
fuel-efficient and durable powerplant known as the all-new 5.7-liter
HEMI V-8.
"Combining confident performance with stunning design, the Chrysler 300C
concept defines our next generation of automobiles," said Zetsche. "With
rear-wheel drive and HEMI Inside, Chrysler 300C delivers power and
performance in an elegant package."
Following are "at-a-glance" features in the Chrysler 300C Concept Sedan:
Performance
5.7-liter HEMI(r) V-8 engine
Electronically-controlled five-speed automatic transmission with
AutoStick(r)
Rear-wheel drive configuration
Short- and long-arm front suspension
Independent five-bar multilink rear suspension
Rack and pinion steering
Front P245/45R20, Rear P275/40R20 tires
Deep-disch 20" x 8" front/20" x 9" rear fives-spoke wheels
Dual exhaust
Amenities
Tortoise shell accents on steering wheel rim, shifter knob and door
pulls
Heated leather seats
Leather-wrapped steering wheel with flush-mounted audio and trip
computer controls
Tilt-telescoping steering wheel
Automatic temperature control
Safety
Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Traction Control
Anti-lock brake system
Vehicle architecture supporting all-wheel drive system
High-Intensity Discharge (HID) headlamps
Navigation radio with integrated six-disc CD changer
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:13:24 -0500
From: paul holmgren <paulholm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Another one bites the dust
FOR26HEMI@xxxxxxx wrote:
>
> Well Gang,
> So I am in the middle of getting my '62 Savoy driveable, not the least
> of which requires the removal and cleaning of the gastank, havibg 10+ years
> of barnacles inside and the sender/ pick up tube is all crusted up. So I
> order some gastank related parts and discover that our beloved MA Mopar just
> NS1'd the 5/16" tank sock! Talk about callous disregard for the company
> heritage! The p/n of this part is 1670 694, so you know it has been around
> since '56 or so....95 % of all Chrysler vehicles used this until about '89 or
> so when injection used in tank pumps and obsoleted their use. So my question
> is this....how good are their intentions (DC) to back us(previous customers,
> and preservers of their history) in the preservation of these cars when they
> discontinue a basic part, that obviously must have made some profit. I see it
> as talking out of both sides of their mouth....showing their real colors!
> Am I ticked? YOU BET! Watch the aftermarket on these, once the
> dealer has none, "price controls" are off. My advice, if your dealer has them
> BUY 'EM. How did my dealer know so quick? They had just tried to update their
> stock and coulkd not get any for themselves. Any body have a dealer with a
> bunch, I would like 6 myself, they used to be around $6 apiece. Thanks for
> listening, Dan
>
> ...."One Nation, UNDER GOD"....(no matter what a crackpot judge says!")
>
> '62 Plymouth Sport Fury
> '62 Plymouth Fury wagon
> '62 Plymouth Fury 4-dr.
> '62 Plymouth Savoy 2-dr
> '68 Coronet R/T Hemi
FORD had the same part, I believe that it is still "in Stock" for those folks.
--
Paul Holmgren
Hoosier Corps #33, L-6
2 57 300-C's in Indy
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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:23:58 -0500
From: paul holmgren <paulholm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: New 300C
Brad Werner wrote:
> I have to agree with John. Try again. My idea of a special letter car
> was the HEMI C convertible concept. This new design does not fit my
> criteria for a I really would love to own, drive and be seen in vehicle.
> Seems the letter car concept is gone if this is what will be the future.
> Hemi yes, rear wheel drive yes. Need to get some pizzaz into the new design
> or morph it into the HEMI C convertible. Once again marketing has used and
> abused the 300 letter car designation.
> Just my 2 cents
While at the Indy Auto Show last January, I noticed a DaimlerChrysler offering
on the OTHER side of the hall (the Chrysler part was NOT with the Daimler part)
The Chrysler area did have the Hemi C concept car there. In the Daimler display
area was a VERY similar car, the performance specs were very similar, the car
was a convertable, A Daimler Mercedes, BUT it was retailing for approx.
$80,000 US, That one was for sale, the cheaper Hemi C, Sorry folks we aren't
going
to be making it available.
--
Paul Holmgren
Hoosier Corps #33, L-6
2 57 300-C's in Indy
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