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There are 17 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Front brakes on 55 Imperial
From: "David Zakarian" <arshog@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
2. Need Roof Section for my crushed '62 hdt roof
From: Kenneth Wilson <jblken@xxxxxxxxxxx>
3. Re: Need Roof Section for my crushed '62 hdt roof
From: "Terry & Andree Hoeman" <tehoema@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
4. 1964 parts manual for my K
From: "mlit" <mlit1964@xxxxxxxxx>
5. Rear Hubs Part 3
From: "Frank Bakanau" <FBAKANAU@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
6. Rear Hubs Part 3, or: tale of the mating rhinos
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
7. Re: Rear Hubs Part 3
From: Mike Apfelbeck <moparmike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
8. Hemi Concept car
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
9. Re: Hemi Concept car
From: Robert Merritt <okbobwynmer@xxxxxxxxx>
10. A certain black 300C convert on "Road Trip"
From: "L.Andrew Jugle" <lajugle@xxxxxxxxx>
11. Re: Hemi Concept car
From: "Bob Jasinski" <rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
12. Re: Need Roof Section for my crushed '62 hdt roof
From: Robert Merritt <okbobwynmer@xxxxxxxxx>
13. CENTER HUB FOR A TURBINE WHEEL
From: LOUISENYLA@xxxxxxx
14. Fwd: hub caps for 1969
From: LOUISENYLA@xxxxxxx
15. Fwd: turbine wheel center caps
From: LOUISENYLA@xxxxxxx
16. Info on rubber boot for 62 drive shaft
From: katpeanut <katpeanut_99@xxxxxxxxx>
17. Re: NEW 300C from Chrysler!
From: "Thomas Miller" <tfm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:19:22 -0700
From: "David Zakarian" <arshog@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Front brakes on 55 Imperial
Yes I know this isn't a 300, but I imagine the brake system is the same as the C300.
When I took them apart, They had some hardware that the manual doesn't show. I'm trying to find out if there was a fix the manual doesn't have or some previous owner go creative. The manual doesn't show "shoe hold down pin assemblies" on the front, yet they were there when I opened up the brakes. Anyone have an idea if they are suppose to be there or was this just another good idea someone had as they were putting the brakes back together 30 years ago. Also, between the shoe and the backing plate was a rubber bushing like thing that the hold down pin went through. The manual doesn't show this either.
Any info or comments are appreciated
Zak
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:44:45 -0700
From: Kenneth Wilson <jblken@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Need Roof Section for my crushed '62 hdt roof
Anyone out there can help me! I need a cut section from a '62 chrysler
hdt - a section of the windshield header about one foot deep and approx.
3' wide. I assume a 60,61,62 - 2 door, 4 door or maybe a sedan? will
work. A tree fell onto my '62 H roof right over the center of the
windshield and caved in the header/windshield flange . I intend, (with
what's left of the windshield removed) to cut out the caved in header ,
push out the remaining roof and have the requested section welded in!
Email me if you have something and what you think it will cost.
Ken Wilson, San Jose, Calif.
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:47:06 -0500
From: "Terry & Andree Hoeman" <tehoema@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Need Roof Section for my crushed '62 hdt roof
sorry I can't help with the roof section but just remembered that I have a
pair of straight unrusted rear quarters from a 62 4 door hardtop if any one
is interested.
They were just so good I had to save them when the car went.
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From: "Kenneth Wilson" <jblken@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 1:44 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] Need Roof Section for my crushed '62 hdt roof
> Anyone out there can help me! I need a cut section from a '62 chrysler
> hdt - a section of the windshield header about one foot deep and approx.
> 3' wide. I assume a 60,61,62 - 2 door, 4 door or maybe a sedan? will
> work. A tree fell onto my '62 H roof right over the center of the
> windshield and caved in the header/windshield flange . I intend, (with
> what's left of the windshield removed) to cut out the caved in header ,
> push out the remaining roof and have the requested section welded in!
> Email me if you have something and what you think it will cost.
>
> Ken Wilson, San Jose, Calif.
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:12:59 -0400
From: "mlit" <mlit1964@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 1964 parts manual for my K
I am looking for a 1964 parts manual for my 64 k. If anyone has an extra one or knows where I can find one.Thanks for all of your help. Mike 300K
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:04:56 -0700
From: "Frank Bakanau" <FBAKANAU@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Rear Hubs Part 3
To bring you up to date: I am trying to replace the rear seals on my C-300.
My rear drums are not part of the hub, they come off with the wheel. The
hub is keyed on a tapered end of the axle.
I built a MOAP (Mother of All Pullers). This thing could pull apart two
mating Rhinos. It can not pull a hub off an axle. I tried more heat than I
should have, I made a special thrust washer to make tightening easier, I
called it something having to do with Saddam. Nutin. I even tried the
LTHNADLAM (Loosen The Hub Nut And Drive Like A Moron) method.
So I am going to leave the nuts backed off 1 turn, cottered of course, and
drive it for a while. Any other ideas?
Frank the Hubba Bubba.
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:34:04 -0400
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Rear Hubs Part 3, or: tale of the mating rhinos
Hi Frank,
I read your post with interest... and a good chuckle or two. At least you
have not lost your sense of humor - yet.
Here's my take on what's going on: first, seems like somebody sometimes
had a hard time getting the hubs off, and decided to separate the drums from
the hubs, probably in an attempt to make the rear brakes easier to service.
I have seen this before. It's not a bad concept, except it doesn't help you
one single bit as far as trying to replace the rear axle seals !
OK, on to the problem, namely, the hubs won't come off the axles: First,
not knowing what your puller looks like, I have to assume it attaches to the
wheel studs still on the hub, and presses against the axle end, correct?
Hopefully you have not buggered up the threads on the axle yet, and have
reinstalled the center nut so that you can un-bugger the threads by removing
the nut later on..
I have yet to see a hub that really won't come off an axleshaft, given A/
that there is enough outward force generated by the puller and B/ that there
is enough heat applied, carefully and judiciously, to the hub. Sure, some
come off easier than other, and some fight you, but, with the puller
exerting force, and with heat expanding the metal of the hub, it's bound to
pop...
I did purchase a special puller, sold by Les Fairbanks thru the listserver,
recently - and it is a beautiful thing, but as yet untested in the
battlefield. So far I have always used the old three-arm puller; I have
always refrained from hitting it too hard, in an attempt not to damage the
threads on the axle; preferring to use an impact gun on it, and, if that did
not make the hub pop off the axle, then using heat. It does take a while
for the heat to transfer into the hub, and for the hub to pop... just keep
heating it..
My advice, based on my experience with these dang things, is to exert as
much outward force as you can using the puller, and then use the heat...
and keep using the heat - until it pops, just like a cork outta bottle of
champagne..
Can't comment re: drive the car with loosened nut method; I do feel there
are enough loose nuts behind the wheels of cars these days without adding to
the fray.
Good luck.
John
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:39:10 -0700
From: Mike Apfelbeck <moparmike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Rear Hubs Part 3
Frank,
When your puller is attached & tightened, is there room jar the hub
sideways with a hammer and a big punch ? If you jar the part sideways,
right under where the nut seats it might loosen the taper. Kinda like the
way you whack the end of a steering arm to release the tie rod end.
might be worth a try,
Mike
At 04:04 PM 4/18/2003 -0700, Frank Bakanau wrote:
>To bring you up to date: I am trying to replace the rear seals on my C-300.
>My rear drums are not part of the hub, they come off with the wheel. The
>hub is keyed on a tapered end of the axle.
>
>I built a MOAP (Mother of All Pullers). This thing could pull apart two
>mating Rhinos. It can not pull a hub off an axle. I tried more heat than I
>should have, I made a special thrust washer to make tightening easier, I
>called it something having to do with Saddam. Nutin. I even tried the
>LTHNADLAM (Loosen The Hub Nut And Drive Like A Moron) method.
>
>So I am going to leave the nuts backed off 1 turn, cottered of course, and
>drive it for a while. Any other ideas?
>
>Frank the Hubba Bubba.
>
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 20:00:33 -0400
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Hemi Concept car
Hi to all,
Just got back from the New York Auto Show. I did take many more pictures of
the concept 300C, other than those uploaded earlier, which Bob Merritt had
provided you a link to...
So, for your exclusive viewing pleasure - here are a LOT of new pictures,
all thumbnailed, etc. for your convenience. These include some neat
pictures of the Hemi engine on a stand, it's a cutaway version... (pictures
040 thru 044 ). Check out the length and reach of the spark plugs !
Once again: http://www.chrysler300club.com/2004Concept300C/Concept.html
or (same) http://www.chrysler300club.com/2004Concept300C/Hemi300C.html
300'ly
John
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:53:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Robert Merritt <okbobwynmer@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Hemi Concept car
John,Thanks for the great shots. You certainly gave us a chance to look from all angles. My personal favorite; number 48; a shadow from the past reflected on a car from the future. Great piece of photography.Okie Bob
John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Hi to all,
Just got back from the New York Auto Show. I did take many more pictures of
the concept 300C, other than those uploaded earlier, which Bob Merritt had
provided you a link to...
So, for your exclusive viewing pleasure - here are a LOT of new pictures,
all thumbnailed, etc. for your convenience. These include some neat
pictures of the Hemi engine on a stand, it's a cutaway version... (pictures
040 thru 044 ). Check out the length and reach of the spark plugs !
Once again: http://www.chrysler300club.com/2004Concept300C/Concept.html
or (same) http://www.chrysler300club.com/2004Concept300C/Hemi300C.html
300'ly
John
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 00:57:50 -0000
From: "L.Andrew Jugle" <lajugle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: A certain black 300C convert on "Road Trip"
About half way through "TV Road Trip" on the Travel Channel, you'll
see 3N572977 driving around Chicago with Anthony Dennison and Jon
Polito.
It is the show starting with a Checker cab in New York in the snow.
Not certain on showing times on different cable systems.
L.A. Jugle, Elmhurst,IL
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:21:05 -0700
From: "Bob Jasinski" <rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Hemi Concept car
Thanks John, great work!
Bob J
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:24:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Robert Merritt <okbobwynmer@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Need Roof Section for my crushed '62 hdt roof
Kenneth,I'm not sure about whether a 60 4-door sedan will work or not but I have a 60 DeSoto that has already had the dash cut out. I would rather use it up helping others keep cars repaired than haul it off for junk. You would be better off if you could find a complete 2-dht top than trying to weld in a section in a nearly flat surface but if you can't find one and think this will work get back to me. The part you need won't be much, depending on whether you can pick it up or want me to cut it out and crate and ship to you and how much time I spend. Okie Bob from Enid Ok.
Kenneth Wilson <jblken@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Anyone out there can help me! I need a cut section from a '62 chrysler
hdt - a section of the windshield header about one foot deep and approx.
3' wide. I assume a 60,61,62 - 2 door, 4 door or maybe a sedan? will
work. A tree fell onto my '62 H roof right over the center of the
windshield and caved in the header/windshield flange . I intend, (with
what's left of the windshield removed) to cut out the caved in header ,
push out the remaining roof and have the requested section welded in!
Email me if you have something and what you think it will cost.
Ken Wilson, San Jose, Calif.
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 22:42:11 EDT
From: LOUISENYLA@xxxxxxx
Subject: CENTER HUB FOR A TURBINE WHEEL
Hi members,
In need of some help from my fellow members,,, I recently acquired a 1969 300
and I have a set of aluminum turbine wheels that have plastic five hole
center caps with "Chrysler Corporation" center emblem, however I only have
three I am in need of one more.
If you can help enclosed is a photo to help.
Thanks Teddy and Louise
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 22:56:10 EDT
From: LOUISENYLA@xxxxxxx
Subject: Fwd: hub caps for 1969
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 23:19:55 EDT
From: LOUISENYLA@xxxxxxx
Subject: Fwd: turbine wheel center caps
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 20:56:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: katpeanut <katpeanut_99@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Info on rubber boot for 62 drive shaft
Mitchell Motor Parts in Fairmount, GA says they have one for "C" body, 1962, for $49. I have purchased two boots already from them. They seem on the up and up. Good service. Their phone number is: 770-425-8487. Hope this helps for the person who needed it. Cathy Chamberlain in Michigan
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 02:41:53 -0400
From: "Thomas Miller" <tfm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: NEW 300C from Chrysler!
Allright!!! I'm gonna do it again. Here goes my rant about history
versus the present again. I posted the follwoing about a year and a
half ago and think it's still relevant. As far as the 300C concept
goes, the grille sure as hell looks like the one in my '57 300C!!! The
rest of it looks damned good to me, and'll probably scoot down the road
"real good". But, what do I know, I'm just a 43 yr. old punk kid.....
<grin>
***** text from my rant of 11/2/2001 12:57:15 AM pasted here *****
All right, I can't stay out of this one any longer.....
I'm 42 years old, and currently own a nice 300C, a 300M that's logged
50,000 miles, an all original 1970 440+6 'Cuda, an '89 Maserati TC, and
a Dodge RAM pickup truck. I've also had the good fortune in the last 27
years to have been in and out all of the following and some more that I
can't seem to remember right now:
'49 Dodge Wayfarer Roadster (D30 Flathead 6)
'62 Imperial Southampton
'62 Dodge Dart 330 (My first car!) (Polyshperical 318)
'64 Ponitac Catalina (389 4 bbl)
'66 Imperial Crown (Originally owned by TV Evangelist Rex
Humbard......)
'67 Chrysler 300 Convertible (440 4bbl.)
'67 Plymouth Fury III convertible (318 2 bbl.)
'68 Dodge Dart GTS (383 4 bbl.)
'68 Pontiac Firebird (326 2bbl.)
'68 Chevrolet Biscayne Station Wagon (307 2bbl.)
'69 Mercury Marauder X100 (429 4bbl.)
'69 Plymouth GTX Convertible (440 4bbl.)
'69 Dodge Charger Daytona (440 4bbl.)
'70 Plymouth Superbird 440+6
'70 Plymouth Sport Fury GT (Distant relative to the Chrysler 300
Hurst)
'70 Plymouth Duster Slant Six
'70 AMC Gremlin (no laughing please)
'70 Plymouth Roadrunner Convertible (a 383 4bbl. in Plum Crazy Purple
no less!)
'71 DeTomaso Pantera (351Cleveland ZF 5spd)
'71 Plymouth 'Cuda (383 4 bbl. 4 spd.)
'74 Dodge Charger SE (318 2bbl.)
'79 Chrysler Cordoba (a real stripper, but w/ a 360 2bbl.)
'79 Dodge Magnum (360 2bbl.)
'81 Chrysler Imperial (318 f.i.)
'85 Dodge Daytona (2.2l turbocharged)
'85 Chrysler New Yorker 5th Avenue (318 2bbl.)
'87 Shelby Lancer (2.2l intercooled turbocharged)
'87 Chrysler New Yorker 5th Avenue (318 2bbl.)
'88 DeTomaso Pantera GT5s (Nitrous Oxide Injected 351 Cleveland ZF
5spd.)
'94 Dodge RAM Pickup (318 f.i.)
'95 Chrysler LHS (3.5l f.i.)
'96 Dodge RAM Quad Cab Pickup (360 f.i.)
'97 Eagle Vision TSi (3.5l f.i. Autostick)
'01 Chrysler PT Cruiser
Ok, ok, I know it's a long list and it looks like I'm bragging. Well,
I sort of am, but not about the cars. I've been fortunate enough over
the years to have been able to live automotive history practically a
year at a time in some cases. I've thoroughly enjoyed every one of
these cars (yes, even the Gremlin!) I listed them here in chronological
order, not in order of my possession; to point out the amazing
differences you see in cars that are even just 5 years apart. Take the
Dodge Wayfarer for instance. It was a true roadster with pop-out
Plexiglas side curtains, a manual drop top and no back seat. I think
Dodge only sold about 300 of them before they switched to roll up
windows. It was an absolute dog by today's standards. The flat 6 and
fluid drive trans were a horrid combination. But just 6 years later,
the C300 came along. What a different car! Right? I dearly loved the
Imperials I had. The late 60s muscle cars were a blast too. Even the
Charger Daytona and the Plymouth Superbird had their subtle differences
(I owned both of these cars at the same time.... It was fun to compare
and contrast the same aero ideas cropped onto a Roadrunner and a
Charger, sort of the same but still very different!)
Ok, so where am I going with this? Here goes. A '57 300C cost around
$5000.00 new. My 440+6 'Cuda stickered for around $5000.00. The
stripped down '79 Cordoba, yep around $5000. How much did cars change
from '57, to '70 to '79? Loads. In lots of ways. The sheer volume of
automobiles sold in the United States has gone up exponentially from the
"old days" till now. 300C production was less than 3000 cars total. I
think Chrysler sold around 30,000 'Cudas and Challengers in 1970.
Cordobas in '79? I don't remember but it was a bunch. I think Chrysler
met their goal of selling 160,000 PT Cruisers in the '01 model year.
(Where the hell did they all go?!) So, the point here, LARGE
differences in the number of cars sold.
The way cars are sold has changed significantly. I remember as a kid
in the small Eastern Ohio town of 5000 that I grew up in, we had a
Ford/Mercury agency, a Dodge agency, a Chevrolet Dealer, and a Chrysler-
Plymouth Dealer. What's the difference? The "agencies" were lucky to
have 10 cars in stock. The "dealers" easily had 30 or 40 cars in stock.
Remember when the new model year always started around September and
the dealer showrooms would be cordoned off with cars covered until
announcement day? It sure isn't like that today is it?!
Ok, so what's my point? The point is, you can't really compare a 300C
to a 300M. They're two different cars, for two different times. I love
'em both. The C puts as much of a grin on my face as the M does. You
also can't compare production numbers from the different eras directly.
Frankly, I think Chrysler was lucky to unload 3000 300Cs in the '57
model year. To me, that car was sort of a Dodge Viper in its day (both
in price and performance). So, is 8000 M Specials a "limited" run?
Well, it sure is compared to 160,000 PT Cruisers, and I think in
perspective it's in the same boat as 3000 300Cs when you consider
overall production and how the demand for cars has changed in 45 years.
I go to the North American International Auto Show in Detroit every
year. In Jan. of '98, my wife and I poked and prodded every large sedan
there was, foreign & domestic. Yes even the Cadillacs and Lincolns,
Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, Infiniti, Acura,etc. Hmmm. another point.
There's a whale of a lot more to choose from these days than there was
back in the 50s. But again, I emphasize, nothing came close to the 300M
in overall room, performance and style in that price range. We bought
the 300M later that year. Is there any other car that comes close to
the M in the $25,000 - $55,000 price range. I can categorically say no.
Nothing touches that car today in that price range. BTW, I'm seeing
2002 300Ms going for around $26,000 here in Columbus Ohio. That's a
bargain in my book.
By the way Karl, the Jaguar XK8 convertible starts at around $75,000
and goes to about $95,000. (See :
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2001/jaguar/xkseries/xk82drconvertible40l8cyl5a/prices.html
) It better turn low 14s at that price. Hmmmm..... How much does a
Viper cost? Yeah, there we go. Another winner from the Chrysler camp!
<grin>
All right, the caboose to this train of thought is that cars, people
and our country have drastically changed since World War II. I know I
was just as proud of my 300M the day it came home as the guy who first
brought my 300C home in June of 1957 and the suave debonair dude that
first cruised the streets in that '49 Wayfarer I once had. I know we
all satisfied an urge for something special, with cars that involve sort
of the same spirit, but are three totally different cars for three
totally different times. It was a big moment for me.
I'm just as proud of my M as I am my C and all of the other cars that I
now and have had the good fortune of owning. Can I pick just one of
them out as my favorite? No. I liked them all for various reasons (and
again YES even the Gremlin!) I don't think we can compare the old with
the new. They're just different! I appreciate them for what they were
in history, and know that I'm making today's history!
***** end of paste ****
OK,
If you 've read this far, you're no doubt ready for my summary to this
mess. DC is in the business to sell cars, profitably. PERIOD. If it's
not profitable, DC won't be in business for long. So, they have to
appeal to the tastes of the masses and hope they buy it. Does DC have
the balls to produce the Chrysler Atlantic ( see
http://www.autotrend.com/9802.html), I doubt it. It wouldn't be
profitable at a price point that would sell. But, let's face it. DC if
a helluva lot further out front these days with things like the
CrossFire, the Pacifica, the return of the Hemispherical engine and rear
wheel drive stuff than Ford or GM in my humble opinion.
There was some mention somwhere in this thread of the "new" Ford
Thunderbird. Wooha. They're flying off the carlots now aren't they.
Have you looked at that 45 grand t**d. That's what it really is . All
show, no go, typical crap Ford plasticy interior with a ncely done
exterior and ho hum unnder the hood. It'll probably go the way of the
Lincoln Blackwood in about the same period of time. Why? Because it
won't be PROFITABLE.
The last word of the last paragraph is what it's all about gang. Think
about it.
Best Regards to all,
Thomas F. Miller
300C, 440+6'Cuda, Maserati TC, 300M
( four in a row to go!) I like looking in my garage! <grin>
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