Re: [Chrysler300] Mopar vs Bowtie.....Group Effort

["Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxx>]

Hey Karl,
Maybe you better check your service bulletin for the specs on an F. The
timing is 5 degrees BTDC not 10. Optimum timing depends on the condition of
the engine, not all are the same. The TDC mark may not even be accurate.
The torque on a 300 F engine is 495 lb ft @ 2,800 RPM. While the max HP
rating may be at 5,000, the engine is not pulling very hard after around
4,500. On a stock engine, let it shift for itself.
Your right about starting line technique, bringing the RPM's up will just
fry the tire (s).
300ly,
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Karl Peterson <longrammopar@xxxx>
To: <longrammopar@xxxx>; <Redwoodlse@xxxx>;
<chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Mopar vs Bowtie.....Group Effort


> Racing with the air cleaners off is NOT good advise. The risk of sucking
> some foreign object in those carbs is not worth the risk for one run (just
> for fun). If you insist on running no air cleaners, only remove the paper
> element from the housing and leave the housing in place.
>
> Do NOT set the timing at 2 to 4 degrees as one poster advised. This is
> actually less than the recommended timing for an ordinary New Yorker (5
deg
> btdc). The factory timing for your "F" is 10 deg btdc, and I have found
> that on my "G", 12 deg is optimum, ONLY if you mix in some 104 or better
> octane fuel with a 1/4 tank of hi-test pump gas. Do not use this
> "octane-in-a-can" junk you hear about.
>
> If you allow the tranny to shift by itself, the factory shift points are
> well below the max horsepower output of the 413. Shift it manually at
4800
> and you will do much better and not run any risk of "overrevving" that
> motor, as it will do 5200 with no sweat.
>
> As far as revving the motor before leaving the line, remember that ram 413
> is developing 480 ft lbs of torque at 2100 RPM and that is more than
enough
> to literally fry any tire short of a drag slick down to the rim before
> you've travelled 20 feet, especially if you do not have a sure-grip rear
> end. Take off full throttle from an idle and let the torque build
> "naturally" to the max after you've actually got the beast moving.
>
> As I said previously, if everything goes right, there's no reason you
can't
> expect your "F" to run low to mid 15's in the high 80's to maybe even low
> 90's, if the temp and humidity is optimum.
>
> Karl
>
>
> >From: "Karl Peterson" <longrammopar@xxxx>
> >To: Redwoodlse@xxxx, chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Mopar vs Bowtie.....Group Effort
> >Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 21:30:36 -0500
> >
> >Leave the air cleaners on. Set the timing at 12Deg BTDC. Use a 50/50
mix
> >of Cam II racing fuel and 91 oct pump gas. Have the widest set of tires
on
> >the rear that you can find that will fit. Take everything out of the car
> >that isn't bolted down, (spare, jack, etc). Do not rev motor at starting
> >line; punch it from idle. Do not drive through the "water" ahead of the
> >starting line; go around it. Shift with the buttons at 4800 RPM. Give
it
> >the gas as soon as you see the last yellow lite on the tree before the
> >green, (it will take a full second for that big 413 to respond anyway).
If
> >you are really serious about it, raise the front torsion bar setting 2"
and
> >run 20 lbs air in rear tires and spray the treads with belt dressing to
> >increase the grip off the line.
> >
> >Your "F" should be able to do low to mid 15's at around 87 to 92 MPH in
the
> >quarter. With that Camaros handicap (unless it's one of those 300+ hp
> >tuned-port injection systems), you should be able to take him. I hope he
> >enjoys his dinner.
> >
> >Let us know how it all turns out.
> >
> >Karl
> >
> >
> > >From: Redwoodlse@xxxx
> > >To: chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >Subject: [Chrysler300] Mopar vs Bowtie.....Group Effort
> > >Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 18:17:38 EDT
> > >
> > >Here's the bet between Father and Son. On the 12th, at Sears Point
Drag
> > >Strip, my son has bet me that his 2001 Camero with a 2.345 second
> >handicap,
> > >can still beat Our (I say "Our" because all of our reputations are at
> > >stake
> > >here) 300F in the quarter mile. It's computer engineering verses
> >old-style
> > >torque and carbs. If any of you (Verity, Riehl, Hertog?) have any
> > >suggestions, don't keep them to yourselves. Should the pup whip the
Old
> > >Man,
> > >he and the bride take the C rag to the wine tasting country, I win,
they
> > >go
> > >to church with me on Fathers Day and cook breakfast. Seems to me that
> >the
> > >Camero might do a 13.90 plus 2.34 equals
> > >16.24 to beat. Air cleaners on? off? RPM launch? Just roll out and
> >then
> > >punch it? Shift with buttons? Timed for max with too much pinging?
> >Amount
> > >of air in rear tires? Open to any and all suggestions as a lot of
people
> > >will be watching.
> > >
> > >Larry W Jett
> > >950 Woodside Road Suite 4
> > >Redwood City CA 94061
> > >650 368 3966
> > >
> > >
> > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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