Re: [Chrysler300] did anything compare/rival 300s pre 1963?
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Re: [Chrysler300] did anything compare/rival 300s pre 1963?
- From: "Johnl" <john@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:48:02 -0800
Hi Ray,
I've heard you talk about your 409 numerous times and must say that the '61 Chevy is probably my favorite from a styling exercise of any Chevy ever built. Personally I've always wanted a "bubble top" example. I know the 409's in those cars were very far and few between and I've also heard they had lots of problems. What came out in '62 was a much better bottom end for that engine and they did live.
Side note: When I was a 16 my best buddy who was 17 bought a used SS 409 Impala in Honduras Maroon. It was one of 40 built with an aluminum front end and a fiber glass hood scoop. It was the 409/409 dual quad version. That car with the four speed would smoke street tires for a city block. I know cause I did it more than once. I think the 61's only had a single carb. One of the few cars he couldn't beat in a drag was a fellow class mate who drove a'63 Stingray with a 327. It was the highest HP optioned car for that year of Vettes.
I drove the car numerous times and had lots of fun in it. One Friday night my buddy and I had traded cars for the weekend. He had my '63 VW with a Judson Supercharger. That night I was on the way home from one of the famous burger joints (Harvey's Broiler) on Firestone Blvd. in Downey when I blew the ring and pinion out of the thing. It was a very long night and when my Dad found out he was not a happy camper.
Not to long after that the car was involved in a head on crash with a Caddy. It was put back together with a regular front end and sold off. I've often wondered where it ended up.
John Lazenby
Southern California, just minutes from Disneyland
1955 Chrysler New Yorker Deluxe Town & Country
1955 Imperial Newport
1955 Chrysler C300
1956 Chrysler 300B
1957 Chrysler 300C Coupe
1960 Chrysler 300F Coupe
1963 Volkswagen Beetle
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Jones" <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Michael Reed" <mrreed@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "'christopher beilby'" <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Owen Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] did anything compare/rival 300s pre 1963?
In 1962 we were Drag Racing our 1961 Chebbi SS 409 4-speed convertible.
One of my Strip slips was against a 300 H which I beat by a bunch. The
only thing that could beat me was another 409, a coupe 200 #'s lighter.
This was at US 30 Drag-away in York, PA. This was an Airport which was
active. The Air charts showed it closed on weekends, except for
emergencies. We sometimes had to wait while a plane landed. Grumpy
Jenkins was the tech inspector then.
So you can throw the 409's into the mix. They were not popular,
everyone liked the 327's, but were much more like the Hemi's with huge
amounts of low-end torque. I had to replace the 409 with a Corvette 327
to sell the car. Turns out later it was one of 7 built! If I only had
it now...................
This was our Family car with 3 kids riding in the back. A former
"Factory built for drag car", I got a Certificate of Origin when we
bought it, as we were the first to title it.
Those were the days, Ray
On Jan 13, 2006, at 9:47 AM, Michael Reed wrote:
> I started drag racing in '57. There was one drag strip in Michigan.
> The Chrysler 300 was never beaten in the top stock class -- to my
> recollection. The 300's dominated the class (and I recall a '55 or '56
> was the winner every week, but I don't recall if there were any '57's
> racing).
>
> Mike in near-summer-like Lake Odessa, MI (wish the "F" were here!)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Owen Grigg
> To: 'christopher beilby' ; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 15:44
> Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] did anything compare/rival 300s pre 1963?
>
>
> I did see an old article some years back where they drag raced a
> number of
> the new '57 production cars. The one that came out on top was the
> Rambler
> Rebel with the 327ci(?)V8, next was the Vette followed by the 300C.
> So straight line speed, I guess AMC were on top!
> Owen
>
>
> So finally to the question - this maybe for those who knew the cars
> when new
>
> - what cars other than 300s in the period say 55 - 63, were a good
> second
> best or alternative to the 300 - were any better to drive, more
> fun, or real
>
> serious rivals?
> I left the 57 Vette out of my original potential comparison because
> of it
> it's very poor, too close, 'in your face' steering wheel position',
> and
> build quality, etc, plus it was more a sports cars versus what the
> 300s
> offered re travelling fast in comfort. (Over the last year, I
> discovered
> near 400 bhp 1969-70 428 and 455 engined shorter wheelbase Pontaic
> Grand
> Prixs - which were likely, would be, rivals for a 'Chrysler 300' had
> Chrysler been still building them, but they were not - prior to
> finding
> these, I never knew of them, so maybe there are still some
> undiscovered/unrecognised cars out there that were better than many
> knew,
> know today?)
>
> have fun thinking if snowed in, or ignore if better things to do.
>
> yours Christopher
>
>
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From: "Ray Jones" <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Michael Reed" <mrreed@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "'christopher beilby'" <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Owen Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] did anything compare/rival 300s pre 1963?
In 1962 we were Drag Racing our 1961 Chebbi SS 409 4-speed convertible.
One of my Strip slips was against a 300 H which I beat by a bunch. The
only thing that could beat me was another 409, a coupe 200 #'s lighter.
This was at US 30 Drag-away in York, PA. This was an Airport which was
active. The Air charts showed it closed on weekends, except for
emergencies. We sometimes had to wait while a plane landed. Grumpy
Jenkins was the tech inspector then.
So you can throw the 409's into the mix. They were not popular,
everyone liked the 327's, but were much more like the Hemi's with huge
amounts of low-end torque. I had to replace the 409 with a Corvette 327
to sell the car. Turns out later it was one of 7 built! If I only had
it now...................
This was our Family car with 3 kids riding in the back. A former
"Factory built for drag car", I got a Certificate of Origin when we
bought it, as we were the first to title it.
Those were the days, Ray
On Jan 13, 2006, at 9:47 AM, Michael Reed wrote:
> I started drag racing in '57. There was one drag strip in Michigan.
> The Chrysler 300 was never beaten in the top stock class -- to my
> recollection. The 300's dominated the class (and I recall a '55 or '56
> was the winner every week, but I don't recall if there were any '57's
> racing).
>
> Mike in near-summer-like Lake Odessa, MI (wish the "F" were here!)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Owen Grigg
> To: 'christopher beilby' ; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 15:44
> Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] did anything compare/rival 300s pre 1963?
>
>
> I did see an old article some years back where they drag raced a
> number of
> the new '57 production cars. The one that came out on top was the
> Rambler
> Rebel with the 327ci(?)V8, next was the Vette followed by the 300C.
> So straight line speed, I guess AMC were on top!
> Owen
>
>
> So finally to the question - this maybe for those who knew the cars
> when new
>
> - what cars other than 300s in the period say 55 - 63, were a good
> second
> best or alternative to the 300 - were any better to drive, more
> fun, or real
>
> serious rivals?
> I left the 57 Vette out of my original potential comparison because
> of it
> it's very poor, too close, 'in your face' steering wheel position',
> and
> build quality, etc, plus it was more a sports cars versus what the
> 300s
> offered re travelling fast in comfort. (Over the last year, I
> discovered
> near 400 bhp 1969-70 428 and 455 engined shorter wheelbase Pontaic
> Grand
> Prixs - which were likely, would be, rivals for a 'Chrysler 300' had
> Chrysler been still building them, but they were not - prior to
> finding
> these, I never knew of them, so maybe there are still some
> undiscovered/unrecognised cars out there that were better than many
> knew,
> know today?)
>
> have fun thinking if snowed in, or ignore if better things to do.
>
> yours Christopher
>
>
>
>
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