I agree, Pete. A '65 300L hardtop weighs 282# more than a '65 Bonneville hardtop, and '65 300L convert weighs 247# more than a '65 Bonneville convert. That weight difference (6.6% and 5.7% respectively) wouldn't make a tremendous difference in acceleration performance. Several times in the 60's we drag raced full size cars side-by-side with and without one auto carrying an adult passenger, The difference was all but indiscernible. The extra weight would have more impact on top speed than it would acceleration. Although it weighed in some 900# less than a Bonneville, my '64 GTO (4-spd and 3.89) coupe would out-accelerate and out-handle just about any American production car on the road then, including my previously-owned fuel-injected '63 Stingray coupe -- no contest on either criteria! Mike Reed in Lake Odessa, Michigan (pining away for a '64 GTO to be a garage-mate for my "F") ----- Original Message ----- From: moparpjf@xxxxxxx To: rstewart@xxxxxxxxxx ; oldtimah@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 06:59 Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 300's vs ?? In a message dated 01/18/2006 6:24:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, rstewart@xxxxxxxxxx writes: someone is joking,why would a lite WEIGHT PONTIAC be in the same class? FOR THE RECORD CHECK OUT HOT ROD MAG 1962 300 AT PONAMA WINTRNATIONALS NUFF SAID.c300 ron It depends on whether you are talking straight line poerformance or all around comparison. I had a 1965 Pontiac Bonneville convert with the 376 HP 421 engine (tripower, cam, etc) and, frankly, that car could stand up to most of the letter cars from a variety of points of view. Of course, it came later than most, so engineering, especially in handling, had improved but for all around go power and driveability, it was one heck of an automobile. The one unique feature of the car was that it had a 3 speed manual transmission on the column (3 on the tree) and a 3.08 rear, which allowed one to pull over 70 mph in first, and close to 110 in second (while those guys in the 4 speed sticks were waiting for your shift). Pete Fitch [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To send a message to this group, send an email to: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx For list server instructions, go to http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm SPONSORED LINKS Chrysler 300 srt8 2005 chrysler 300 c 2005 chrysler 300 pictures New chrysler 300 2005 chrysler 300 limited 2005 chrysler 300 m ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "Chrysler300" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Chrysler300-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To send a message to this group, send an email to: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx For list server instructions, go to http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Chrysler300/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Chrysler300-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/