RE: [Chrysler300] C-300 value??

["Dan Elliott" <us@xxxxxxxxxx>]

I was told people in the South don't like black cars because they are too
hot.  Not
true with 300's?

Dan

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Roger Schaaf
  Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 2:29 PM
  To: C300@xxxxxxx; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; johnl
  Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] C-300 value??


  John:

  I did not mean to imply that this car came from the factory with no
options and I am not aware that Mr. Astor(current owner of this car) is
claiming it to be as it came from the factory. If options were in place and
then removed by some owner, then it now is a zero option(or more correctly,
without options) car. I am aware that some in our organization consider this
to be a felony of the highest order(forgetting for a moment that a
subsequent owner can at his option bring it back to "factory") and others
merely wish to enjoy their automobiles to be the way they want them to be--I
replaced my miserable Powerflight with a Torqueflight and sin of all sins
replaced the bias tires(hell they were Remington L 78's anyway and even
worse they were DOT approved) with Diamondback radials(safety and comfort
being more important to me then losing a couple of points on some judged
event that I never expect to experience anyhow). I consider my car to be for
my driving enjoyment and casual showing rather than a 100 point trailer
queen that between shows merely deteriorates in my garage. The next owner
can do as he wishes,,,easily even shove the miserable Powerflight back into
it if desired. I also own an old Corvette and am a member of NCRS(Corvette
owner's really anal organization that makes our club--or most any other
club-- appear truly car enthusiast friendly) and I have installed a Doug
Nash 5 speed, 1987 16 inch wheels, and a 500 hp 400 ci small block in it. It
of course drives some members around the bend but its my car and I enjoy it
the way it is and that it will turn 12 second quarter miles thru the exhaust
and IMHO looks very nice. It too has no issues that some future owner cannot
deal with if he wishes.

  I truly wonder just how much a modified car really loses in value compared
to a totally stock(but likely way over restored) car. I suppose you could
deduct a certain amount for the labor and parts required to take it back to
stock and most bidders can easily take that into consideration when bidding
if a "stock" car is their desire. But what I have noted at Barrett and other
auctions is that the well over restored cars always seem to bring the big
bucks. The as factory "stock" cars when seen under the bright lights just do
not seem to excite the bidder's paddles to go up as much(3 million dollar
Plymouths and Corvette clones the exceptions). Also wonder how many Pebble
Beach Duisenberg's or old Ferrari's are as "factory" when now shown.

  I am fairly certain that you and most others of our members probably feel
as I do on this issue. Else we would not see on our owner's automobiles:
radial and/or DOT tires, disc brakes, added options, wire wheels, Petronix
ignitions, Champion spark plugs, 2 stage polyurethane paints, Goer's(and
others) interiors, after market windshields, and of course not to the
mention all the cars with perfect door gaps, pristine paint jobs with no
flaws or orange peel(or have we forgotten just how miserable the paint was
on some of these old enamel cars?) and undercarriage suspensions, frames,
engine compartment components all of which are bead blasted and painted or
more likely powdercoated to perfection---imagine the expense to take this
back to factory "stock"---.

  Oh, yes I was aware that this car began life in Platinum. I too happen to
believe that there is not a prettier 300 to be found be seen anywhere then a
red C 300 in Tango Red(especially if well done) so I can fully sympathize
with Bill Madden's motives(removing PS if that was done, aside)..

  If you really want to go crazy, check out this website to see what was
done to Gary Meadors 300 B by Boyd Coddington. I was parked next to Gary at
a local MOPAR show. I loved the car. This one however would be a challenge
to take back to "stock" I suppose.


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  Roger Schaaf
  300 B Calyfornua

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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: johnl
  To: C300@xxxxxxx ; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Roger Schaaf
  Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 8:50 AM
  Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] C-300 value??

  Hi Roger and all,

  I feel it necessary to clear the air here. Your statement reads as: "It is
a zero option car, no radio,no heater, no pw, ps, pb, nada nada." The red
'55 you speak of was originally not a red car and did have at least some of
the options that it no longer possesses. It is examples like this that after
a period of time are represented as a correct factory car when in fact they
are not.

  Recently I've heard that this very car is on display in a large collection
in Southern California and is represented as a correct factory example, thus
the misinformation has already begun. As to value I personally would not
rate a modified example anywhere close to a accurately restored car as it
came from the factory.

  I have verified the information stated above regarding the example you
speak of with Gil Cunningham who does the Microfilm Research Archives for
the Chrysler 300 Club International.

  John Lazenby

  1955 Chrysler New Yorker Deluxe Town & Country
  1955 Imperial Newport
  1955 Chrysler C300 Tango Red
  1956 Chrysler 300B Cloud White
  1957 Chrysler 300C Coupe Raven Black
  1960 Chrysler 300F Coupe Alaskan White
  1963 Volkswagen Beetle Black
  2001 BMW ///M5 (A Modern Super Car)
  http://www.bmwmregistry.com/model_faq.php?id=18

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Roger Schaaf
  To: C300@xxxxxxx ; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] C-300 value??

  Timo Tanskanen would be as good as you will ever find in Calyfornua.
However you certainly will be looking at a 100k plus and that would be a
bargain to have one of the best. I followed very closely the restoration of
a red 55 that he did for a close friend(Bill Madden) of mine. The car is
superb. It is a zero option car, no radio, no heater, no pw, ps, pb, nada
nada.

  Timo is now just finishing up for Bill, a 59 black Crown Imperial
convertible that will have its first showing at Carmel(invitation only) next
month during the 2 weeks of annual Monterey festivities. I believe that this
car will be the finest Imperial to be found anywhere.

  You are usually far better off to find a finished car unless you enjoy the
often frustrating birthing process and can willingly endure the death of a
thousand knives as you write the checks and tell the white lies to your
spouse about how much this is really going to cost.

  Roger Schaaf
  300 B Calyfornua
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Rich Barber
  To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 5:50 PM
  Subject: [Chrysler300] C-300 value??

  Any theories on value of a bona fide 1955 Chrysler C-300, rusty, no
engine,
  most glass good, interior "there"-but ratty, has title? A club member has
  it and is sorta thinking $5K-I'm south of that.

  And, if I get it, where/who might do a complete body-off-frame resto. On
the
  left coast. And, of course, I'd need an engine, '55NY block OK for
starter,
  but would eventually want the 3NEblock, carbs, manifold & batwing.

  C-300'ly,

  Rich Barber

  Brentwood, CA

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