RE: [Chrysler300] motor & trans out of 300C as one, or split?

[christopher beilby <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Thank you to all those who have replied - replies about half for, and against, re leaving trans in car, this mainly due to combined weight.  And yes I have everything off forward of the cowl/bulkhead.  And all I have left to now undo, is the carb throttle rod, which I will take off at cowl, and the rear trans mount. Supercharger and mount off, generator, fuel pump, Oil Filter off, dizzy cap and leads, and I think I will also take carbs off, just so the little brass id tags not harmed.
 
At the front, I am planning to use a bolt into the block through the upper water pump connector - with a bolt into the back of the head on diagonally opposite side, as my two lift points, so if anyone has any better ideas, I would be pleased to hear - I have come inside to take a brief 'no stress' break - if the written history of the car is correct, up until original owners sold the car, around early 80s, the motor was exactly as ex Le Mans Sports Car racer Briggs Cunningham installed it after modifying it after Daytona, running it on his dyno - they said with all their (brief ompared to many pros?!) drag racing etc, they had never had to remove motor ever after Cunningham set it up.
 
The motor may have been removed by susequent owners, but I doubt this for many reasons I won't bore you with now, but if this is so, I am, want to, be most careful re not damaging/wrecking anything, I appreciating just what I am possibly playing with, and there plenty of other less stressfull things I'd rather be doing.
 
I will connect hoist, jack under trans, let rear crossmember go, and lift enough just to see how heavy it all seems.  If doubtful, I will unbolt trans, lift just motor first.  Whichever way I go, I wanted to just push car back away from lifted motor, rather than the more risky move hoist away from car.
 
Christopher Australia
Weather here last couple of nice, even if my other 300C got caught in 30pts shower oother day last using it, and it strangely cool the last few months, like still winter/early spring - like global warming is totally wrong - we only had four hot days so far when normally maybe 15-20 usually by now - there was heavy dew on roof of 300 this morning, like near as if it rained - it now about 10am.



To: bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: cotejohnr@xxxxxxxxxxx: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:31:43 -0500Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] motor & trans out of 300C as one, or split?



My 2 cents;I'm assuming Christopher has the "nose off" as he states "Today I have removed all the front panels, rad support etc, and trans also unbolted at crank."No need to angle the engine out and over the radiator support if its gone. I'd opt to leave it together unless engine and tranny are going to be rebuilt and use a crane that's strong enough. Running the risk of pinching seals during reconnect and ending up with a leaker after reassembly would be my concern.John Cotein CT.-----Original Message-----From: Bob Merritt <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: Chrysler300 list <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 3:32 pmSubject: Re: [Chrysler300] motor & trans out of 300C as one, or split?In 1997 I removed the 354 engine and transmission from a B. It weighed 960 pounds for dry engine and transmission, complete except for generator and power steering pump. I recall my hoist was groaning under the load and it does not complain hoisting 413s.You can shed substantial weight by removing the starter, water pump, exhaust manifolds, and intake........100 to 125 pounds I'd guess.But weight aside, if you can remove the transmission beforehand, engine removal is so much easier if only because you don't have to tilt the engine. See the third picture of http://www.simplexco.com/auto/66300/300.htmlBob----- Original Message ----- From: christopher beilby To: chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:17 AMSubject: [Chrysler300] motor & trans out of 300C as one, or split?Good news, and bad news, on my Supercharged 300C resto.Good news - tonight for first time/night/ever, since I bought the car near 12 years ago, it is where I live - until now I deliberately never kept it here, as afraid of fire, and losing it and too many others if it happened. So tonight, I have three my 300Cs near together enough to put them side by side.Bad news, is why it is here - my 300C quarter panel man asked me to take the body off, so he first can easiest/best repair/replace the only rust on the trunk floor, right at the rear left body mount, just in front of rear bar. I knew it there, but wanted lower 1/4 repairs done first, but he said, do it right, the right way round.So at same time, frame now going to sandblasters before body refitted, so question is, as I am lifting motor and trans out so it easier/better for sandblasters to manage chassis, do other 300 hemi-ly members suggest unbolting the trans to make things lighter, or is motor and trans lifted out as one, not too much for most portable lift frames/cranes ???Today I have removed all the front panels, rad support etc, and trans also unbolted at crank.Just how heavy is 392 motor less carbs, gen and starter, the how heavy cast iron torqueflight?Everything except rear xmember is undone, so I hoping to have it done before lunch, as sandblasted body/frame assembly due back at panel shop 2 days time, xmas still a hoped 'meetable' deadline for panelwork finish, with all three employees promising to work only on it if it 'do-able', but how often do things go to plan with cars/300s?! Christopher Australiaps taking few photos, as boy they did some extra work/things fitting that blower on the car, many neat things like the special power cable from battery in the trunk, used it's wire armour out layer as the earth lead, attaches to engine block in engine bay, battery in trunk - plus you should see the pulley set up for the blower - like they run so close and varied sizes, you cannot change water pump generator drive vee belt without unbolting stuff, as it caught behind the larger blower pulley on water pump section. And the maze of pressure and vacuum feed hoses for fuel pump, blower, boost step up solenoid, never mind ones going to internal gauge clusters. And the fuel pump I thought was stock 300C one modified, looks like a special factory part of some sort.Pity it unlikely may never know how much was done by Factory before car went to Dealer - manual steer box with no power steer pump/pulley, suggests at the very least the blower brackets, complete crank and water pump blower pulley set ups, as otherwise, it having no water pump belt/drive - and special fuel pump maybe? And maybe/likely the 1957 Factory Seat belts I asked questions about a fair while ago?And I now clearly see I have a few perished upper front suspension bushes, strut rubbers, but still can't wait to get the car finally finished, and lay some '1957 Daytona Beach 550bhp', it summer here now, officially starting today.Sorry to ramble on, but that those two brothers in 1956 had the guts/vision/whatever to say 'hey lets order a coming 300C, get it to make make the 530bhp they calculated it needed, and run it as non factory entry at 150mph on Daytona for '57' is to me pretty great/amazing. The car is still with us, and if I can get it done, I just know it will put a smile, similar admiration for them, on many faces other than mine into the future long after I am gone. Many things in the world may be going to hell in a hand basket, but some still have our 300s!!!__________________________________________________________Holiday cheer from Messenger. 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