Re: [Chrysler300] motor & trans out of 300C as one, or split?
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Re: [Chrysler300] motor & trans out of 300C as one, or split?
- From: c300c@xxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:49:48 EST
My tale of woe:
In the 1970s, I undertook the rebuild of my 300-C. After removing the front
clip, radiator support, bumper etc., I removed the engine and transmission as
a unit. I had a spare 300-C
engine which I mated to the trans and re-installed the complete unit while
rebuilding the original to factory specs. This assembly never leaked.
Later, after the body rebuild and reassemby, I pulled the spare engine after
disconnecting it at the transmission (new front seal) and coupled the new
(rebuilt) original engine to it. Lo and behold! a pinched seal and a slight
leak. Finally stopped dripping on it's own. You may not be so lucky.
My advice is, if possible, reassemble the engine and transmission and
install as a single unit. This will avoid later headaches.
Gary Hagy
300-C, 300-C conv.
300-G conv.
300-E
In a message dated 12/1/2008 3:32:22 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
cotejohnr@xxxxxxx writes:
My 2 cents;
I'm assuming Christopher has the "nose off" as he states "
Today I have removed all the front panels, rad support etc, and trans also
unbolted at crank."
No need to angle the engine out and over the radiator support if its gone.
I'd opt to leave it together unless engine and tranny are going to be rebuilt
and use a crane that's strong enough. Running the risk of pinching seals
during reconnect and ending up with a leaker after reassembly would be my concern.
John Cote
in CT.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Merritt <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Chrysler300 list <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 3:32 pm
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] motor & trans out of 300C as one, or split?
In 1997 I removed the 354 engine and transmission from a B. It weighed 960
pounds for dry engine and transmission, complete except for generator and
power steering pump. I recall my hoist was groaning under the load and it does
not complain hoisting 413s.
You can shed substantial weight by removing the starter, water pump, exhaust
manifolds, and intake........100 to 125 pounds I'd guess.
But weight aside, if you can remove the transmission beforehand, engine
removal is so much easier if only because you don't have to tilt the engine. See
the third picture of
http://www.simplexco.com/auto/66300/300.html
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: christopher beilby
To: chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:17 AM
Subject: [Chrysler300] motor & trans out of 300C as one, or split?
Good news, and bad news, on my Supercharged 300C resto.
Good news - tonight for first time/night/ever, since I bought the car near
12 years ago, it is where I live - until now I deliberately never kept it
here, as afraid of fire, and losing it and too many others if it happened. So
tonight, I have three my 300Cs near together enough to put them side by side.
Bad news, is why it is here - my 300C quarter panel man asked me to take the
body off, so he first can easiest/best repair/replace the only rust on the
trunk floor, right at the rear left body mount, just in front of rear bar. I
knew it there, but wanted lower 1/4 repairs done first, but he said, do it
right, the right way round.
So at same time, frame now going to sandblasters before body refitted, so
question is, as I am lifting motor and trans out so it easier/better for
sandblasters to manage chassis, do other 300 hemi-ly members suggest unbolting the
trans to make things lighter, or is motor and trans lifted out as one, not
too much for most portable lift frames/cranes ???
Today I have removed all the front panels, rad support etc, and trans also
unbolted at crank.
Just how heavy is 392 motor less carbs, gen and starter, the how heavy cast
iron torqueflight?
Everything except rear xmember is undone, so I hoping to have it done before
lunch, as sandblasted body/frame assembly due back at panel shop 2 days
time, xmas still a hoped 'meetable' deadline for panelwork finish, with all three
employees promising to work only on it if it 'do-able', but how often do
things go to plan with cars/300s?!
Christopher Australia
ps taking few photos, as boy they did some extra work/things fitting that
blower on the car, many neat things like the special power cable from battery
in the trunk, used it's wire armour out layer as the earth lead, attaches to
engine block in engine bay, battery in trunk - plus you should see the pulley
set up for the blower - like they run so close and varied sizes, you cannot
change water pump generator drive vee belt without unbolting stuff, as it
caught behind the larger blower pulley on water pump section. And the maze of
pressure and vacuum feed hoses for fuel pump, blower, boost step up solenoid,
never mind ones going to internal gauge clusters. And the fuel pump I thought
was stock 300C one modified, looks like a special factory part of some sort.
Pity it unlikely may never know how much was done by Factory before car went
to Dealer - manual steer box with no power steer pump/pulley, suggests at
the very least the blower brackets, complete crank and water pump blower pulley
set ups, as otherwise, it having no water pump belt/drive - and special fuel
pump maybe? And maybe/likely the 1957 Factory Seat belts I asked questions
about a fair while ago?
And I now clearly see I have a few perished upper front suspension bushes,
strut rubbers, but still can't wait to get the car finally finished, and lay
some '1957 Daytona Beach 550bhp', it summer here now, officially starting
today.
Sorry to ramble on, but that those two brothers in 1956 had the
guts/vision/whatever to say 'hey lets order a coming 300C, get it to make make the 530bhp
they calculated it needed, and run it as non factory entry at 150mph on
Daytona for '57' is to me pretty great/amazing.
The car is still with us, and if I can get it done, I just know it will put
a smile, similar admiration for them, on many faces other than mine into the
future long after I am gone.
Many things in the world may be going to hell in a hand basket, but some
still have our 300s!!!
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