Re: [Chrysler300] That's a wheel of a different color

["John" <john@xxxxxxxxx>]

I would also add to Gil's comments that even the same formula of the day had variations due to mixing of batches of paint.  This was certainly not a science as it is today.  Example;  when we first became the owners of 3N551881 a factory Tango Red example so twenty years ago I was told by someone who was considered an "authority" that the exterior color was wrong.  Interestingly enough this car was a repaint, but the door jams were original as was under the trunk lid.  Once I showed this to the "authority" they backed off.

The first time I saw the C300 currently owned by Bill Allen I was sure the Tango Red was entirely incorrect.  In my first viewing of this car I also had mine there and the difference in color was amazing.  As it turned out some years later when I assisted Bill in the purchase of that car I discovered it was correct to the original color applied when the car was born.

Regarding the steering wheel colors the plastic of the wheel will change it's color over time due to various conditions.  I'm sure when originally built the goal was to come as close to the dash and other related items of the same color as possible.  If we could only go back those 50 plus years and see it for ourselves.

I've restored wheels and have some that are "original".  Even though the restored examples are fresh and certainly more consistent with the car I still prefer "originals" as they have a complete different look than that of a refinished one.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: lettercars@xxxxxxx 
  To: c300@xxxxxxx ; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 12:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] That's a wheel of a different color





  Rich and All: The "beige" instrument panel colors are not that 
  straightforward. This is what I found:

  C300: Saddle Beige, Ditzler (PPG) # 21181
  300B: Sand Dune Beige, Ditzler # 21185
  300C: Desert Beige, #21281 (Also an exterior color for 1957)
  300D, 300E, and 300F: Saddle Beige, #21181

  Kind of went full circle, didn't it? 

  I am sure there no longer exists any plastic color master for the beige 
  portion of the 300C steering wheel. However I think it can be assumed that 
  Chrysler's intent was to match the beige colored components inside the car, 
  and I would think the best way to do that would be to match the Desert 
  Beige I/P color. As has been previously mentioned, even protected NOS wheels 
  have shown the effects of time on the plastic color, and so cannot be 
  relied on as masters.
  300ly, Gil C.




  In a message dated 6/15/2009 1:33:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
  c300@xxxxxxx writes:

  Our '55 C-300 has a mostly black steering wheel with two short, tan/beige,
  knurled sections. This color scheme matches the black and tan dash and 
  the
  black carpet and tan leather interior trim colors. The black all matches,
  of course, and the three tans vary slightly in color.

  Other '55 Chrysler models had widely varying interior colors and Chrysler
  furnished widely varying two-tone colored steering wheels to match. It
  appears the colors were imbedded in the vinyl (?) material of the steering
  wheels. We're fortunate in that all the 300's had the same interior 
  colors,
  and even more so that they are classy colors that go well with a Platinum,
  Tango Red or Black car.

  It might be helpful to repeat the name and paint color code for the tan
  portion of the '57 dashes and have DeSoto George shoot for that color for
  '57 wheels. It would be helpful to me to know the '55 tan dash color and
  whether it is different than the '57.

  By the way, I've just had two bat/delta wings and my rocker arm covers
  refinished in 1972-74 Mercedes Benz Byzantine Gold, doctored up with some
  additional yellow tint to reduce the reddish tone somewhat. They were
  clear-coated with a slightly matted topcoat to reduce the wet look. They
  look fabulous and "correct". Paint specs and photos available on request.

  C-300'ly,
  Rich Barber
  Brentwood, CA
  1955 Chrysler C-300 (Off spec., non-Pt white, black, tan, Byzantine Gold)

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
  Behalf Of James
  Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:39 PM
  To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: [Chrysler300] Re: 1957 Chrysler 300 steering wheels

  I have a NOS still in the box for my 59, it has turned almost a Harvest 
  gold
  color. My original after baking many years in the AZ sun still matches 
  the
  tan dash in the car but is full of cracks.
  --- In Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, JettLarry@... wrote:
  >
  > I bought a NOS wheel for my 300F years ago from George Cone. It had 
  been

  > in its box all its life. The factory applied beige coloring had turned 
  a

  > sort of greenish tinge that could not have been the shade it was born 
  in.

  > This color shift had taken 29 years but I elected to have the beige 
  color

  > overpainted in the same shade as the dash. The paint still matches the
  dash 
  > 22 years later----a better record than the factory finish.
  > 
  > 
  > In a message dated 6/14/2009 3:02:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
  > georgelaurie@... writes:
  > 
  > Hello all, I am presently working on the mould for full re-casts of the
  57 
  > Chrysler 300 steering wheel, these will be on original steel cores, 
  > exchange basis mostly.
  > Ok so what I am trying to sort out is the actual real original colour ( 
  > yes I know I spell colour funny ) This is the top section we are 
  talking

  > about, no problem with the Black main body of the wheel.
  > I have stripped 3 wheels and cut sections of what was left of the
  original 
  > material, I then sand and polish a cross section and each time I get a 
  > differant colour. Since this material was so sun affected there is a
  differant 
  > colour for each wheel depending on how much sun ( UV ) has penitrated
  each 
  > wheel.
  > I have a Desoto wheel here ( same wheel ) and apart from the main body 
  > being brown I am sure it used the exact same top section colour. When I 
  > section it and sand polish I come up with a dirty white, really a light
  Grey that 
  > I belive is the correct original colour because this wheel was in 
  fairly 
  > good condition and the UV rays do not seem to have discououred it 
  further

  > than the top surface.
  > Doe anyone have a NOS wheel out there to confirm this? any one who has 
  > any knowlage of the exact real colour out there? I want to be able to
  make 
  > them correctly and any help would be great.
  > Now apart from what is correct original we also have to deal with what
  you 
  > guys ( and girls ) percive to be the correct colour, that is to say I 
  > want to make you my customers happy, so it will be no good me finding 
  the

  > correct colour and making them that way if you belive it is not correct
  and 
  > don't want to buy them, so I am woundering what colour you WANT them to
  be so 
  > they are saleable? what colour do you belive they should be and will be 
  > happy with? looking forward to hearing what you think, regards George.
  > 

  ------------------------------------

  To send a message to this group, send an email to:
  Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

  For list server instructions, go to 
  http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm

  For archives go to http://www.forwardlook.net/300-archive/Yahoo! Groups 
  Links

  **************Dell Days of Deals! June 15-24 - A New Deal Everyday! 
  (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222865043x1201494942/aol?redir=http:%2F%2F
  ad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215692145%3B38015538%3Bh)

  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



  

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



------------------------------------

To send a message to this group, send an email to:
Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

For list server instructions, go to http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm

For archives go to http://www.forwardlook.net/300-archive/Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Chrysler300/

<*> Your email settings:
    Individual Email | Traditional

<*> To change settings online go to:
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Chrysler300/join
    (Yahoo! ID required)

<*> To change settings via email:
    mailto:Chrysler300-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    mailto:Chrysler300-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
    Chrysler300-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
    http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/