Re: [FWDLK] [Chrysler300] Shocks - Koni

[John <spiers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

There is no price. I wouldn't even ask unless we had enough interest.

John





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From: Michael Moore <mmoore8425@xxxxxxx>
To: christopher beilby <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: spiers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; alumcantandthd@xxxxxxx; l-forwardlook@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; 
chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 63-64chryslers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tue, July 26, 2011 11:07:24 AM
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] [Chrysler300] Shocks - Koni

Have they said what the price would be in a lot of 50 pieces?
Mike Moore
300H

On Jul 26, 2011, at 7:53 AM, christopher beilby wrote:

Can I suggest that for an easier start/option, that you just look at getting 
orders for front shocks - if so I would take two sets if the price not much more 
than a $100 a shock.
> 
>Konis are brilliant on the front of a car that needs good control. I have maybe 
>3 good original 300C factory fitted shocks, they currently not on my 300Cs. I 
>have put a pair of KYBs on my driver 300C, but they still do not feel as good as 
>they could, nor maybe better than the original 300C front shocks that I removed.
> 
>My mother had new a late 50s big block Ford Ranchwagon, and we lived up bush at 
>the time. The factory shocks lasted only around 15k miles on aussie country bush 
>bitumen roads/tracks, this in then 70-80 mph everyday cruise speeds.
>And the front felt just like 300Cs with KYBS - not out of control, but a bit 
>sloppy over dips etc. I fitted Konis, and boy what a car it made of it - now 
>cruised everywhere at 80-90 mph on good radials. And so I put them on the rear 
>of another newer aussie Ford V8, a hotted up one that was good for 125+ mph, 
>quarter mile in around 14 secs. And in the next few years, I did 180,000 fast 
>miles in that car, over 120k of those I worked out recently at over 100mph 
>cruise speeds. (A cop pulled me up once, said he had tailed me from about 1-2 
>miles behind for last 15 miles - told me he clocked my speed never below 108mph, 
>and up to 115mph, but after bouncing car to check shocks and seeing top quality 
>high speed radails, said it perfectly safe, just don't do it when cops were 
>around!!) And when I removed the shocks, they were still like new re 
>axction/reaction, despite the steel casings near shotblasted/dinted to 
>hell/nothing, by untold 100+mph stones/grit etc, never mind they often buried in 
>dust/mud.
> 
>Owners of 300s that are trailer queens do not bother with Konis - but everyone 
>else, if Konis can make a shock to suit our 300s, especially the needy 300 
>front, it will put the biggest country and town smiles on our/your faces, it 
>will make the car 30-50% more fun/safer.
>I have Konis on my old early 70s Lamborghini, rear of my BM 6 series coupe, and 
>recently I have discovered '77/78 TBirds - the ones with 400s and C6 autos - and 
>all those combo ones lack to be a real fun driver's/punter car is better/right 
>shocks, and if Koni make a not too dear one for them, at least 2 of the 4 of 
>them will get them as I can afford. A good driver performance car can be made 
>into a magic drivers/fun car with Konis - boring, more lackluster cars, will 
>gain little from them though.
> 
>Get those 300 order numbers any way you/we can, you will not be disappointed. 
>Hemi and crossram 300s were just made for Konis to make them even better fun. Go 
>for Koni fronts first, this cheaper than all 4 at once, and if we can, then go 
>for the rears as well later.
> 
>my two bobs worth - backed by owning/driving over 100 cars from many 
>makers/countries - and my heavy right foot is still younger than my 
>brain/commonsense.
>Christopher in Australia
> 
>
>
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To: mmoore8425@xxxxxxx
>CC: alumcantandthd@xxxxxxx; l-forwardlook@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 63-64chryslers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>From: spiers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 07:01:30 -0700
>Subject: Re: [FWDLK] [Chrysler300] Shocks - Koni
>
>
>Hi Mike - 
>
>I included you and your 300Hs in the "4-1/2" count of possible buyers for 
these 
>Koni shocks. 
>
>I think there is not enough interest worldwide - so far it's me, you, another 
>person from the 300 Club Int'l, and possibly Rick from the Forwardlook list 
>(who 
>didn't say how many). So, I have not asked the Koni rep anything further than 
>the initial availability question below - right now, there is no pricing and 
no 
>consideration to place these back into production..
>
>The low interest in these shocks may just be the nature of the owner of these 
>cars - most drivers of these cars take them out on slow Sunday drives, and 
have 
>had them for many years, when there were nice runners available for four 
weeks' 
>pay. In 2011, for many folks, paying more than a modest dinner for two out on 
>the town for a set of four shocks is considered excessive - and is reflected 
by 
>the near-zero interest this is generating here.
>
>Myself, I get out in the cut & thrust of I-95 in South Florida and have to 
>out-maneuver the media-estimated 30% of drivers who have NO car insurance at 
>all. The added control afforded by the $130-$140 KYBs have saved my butt on 
>many 
>occasions - but there's room for improvement. I consider the KYBs good 
>insurance, and for a one-time purchase, an excellent investment. And the car 
is 
>more pleasant and fun to drive - I can only imagine what the Konis would be 
>like. I would surely never go back to the stock-type shock absorber, ever. 
>
>I am copying this discussion over onto the Forwardlook list, and I welcome 
>anyone to bring it to the 1959 Plymouth list, the Christine clubs, or any 
other 
>related Mopar auto forum.
>
>John
>
>________________________________
>
>John,
>I wonder what price range they are considering. 
>
>I paid $800 per car set for my Jaguars (6 shocks) . 
>They made such a terrific difference that I would be willing to buy 2 sets if 
>necessary. If they're thinking $100 each, I wonder how it would change if we 
>thought in terms of $200 each. 
>
>I would gladly pay $800 for a set of Koni shocks designed by Koni for my car.
>I also wonder just where all the same shocks (as ours) were used originally, 
>and hopw many of those folks we could interest.
>Mike Moore 
>
>On Jul 25, 2011, at 9:13 PM, John wrote:
>
>> CanMan & All!
>> 
>> I sent the email below to see if there is any interest in Koni shocks for 
our 
>> 1957-1964 Mopars. 
>> 
>> So far, not including ole CanMan, I have heard interest in the Koni shocks 
>> totaling four and a half car sets. Only 45.5 sets to go!! 
>> 
>> The Koni US factory representative said fifty CAR SETS would be the minimum 
>> amount required to have the factory in Holland make a production run. 
>> 
>> Konis are an adjustable, super-premium shock at a super-premium price, used 
>on 
>
>> many expensive high-speed European sports cars because of their superior 
>>control 
>>
>> characteristics - a car set of four shocks for many cars often runs $600 or 
>> more. I know it is nearly impossible to convince someone who is used to 
>paying 
>
>> $15/each for shocks that one could be worth 10x the price. Heck, even the 
>>KYBs, 
>>
>> which I like very much and have on a couple of my early 60s Mopars and other 
>> cars, are beyond the pale for many at $30-$40 each - and they are well-worth 
>>the 
>>
>> price in improved handling. I find it a little irritating that the KYBs are 
>> made in the Far East, though, but they have proven to be a long-lasting, 
>> well-made product. At least the Konis are made in Holland. 
>> 
>> To tell the story in more detail, I've only had Koni shocks on one car, a 
>1962 
>
>> Morgan Plus/4. When I got the car in 1980, with well over 100,000 miles on 
>it, 
>>I 
>>
>> ordered Konis right away. Much to my surprise, when I cleaned off the 
surface 
>> rust on the old shocks, they too were Konis, with a 1964 date of manufacture 
>>on 
>>
>> them! The new ones I installed hardly made a difference, and the old ones 
>>still 
>>
>> had one more "click" of adjustment left on them to stiffen up the rebound 
>> action, even being 16 years old at the time. I was impressed, and drove that 
>> car 65,000 miles in my ownership, with never a concern about shocks. 
>> 
>> One thing that just came to mind - There are US manufacturers that are 
making 
>> high-performance shocks for the likes of Camaros, Mustangs, etc., - I wonder 
>>if 
>>
>> any of them would take a look at a set of KYBs as an example, and come up 
>with 
>>a 
>>
>> shock for us? Maybe there's a close fit that can be adapted - I'm messing 
>> around with a '72 Pinto wagon (who knows why?!), and installed KYBs all 
>around 
>>- 
>>
>> I had read, and since confirmed, that 1980s Camaro rear shocks fit and work 
>>very 
>>
>> well on the rear of the Pinto.
>> 
>> Cheers.
>> 
>> John Spiers
>> 
>> ________________________________
>
>> 
>> How many do you have signed up, to get a set?
>> 
>> How soon is this gonna happen?
>> 
>> Thanks,,,,,,,,,,,,,
>> 
>> 
>----------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> To continue forward with this discussion about shock absorbers at the 300 
>Club 
>
>> listserver:
>> 
>> Koni once made front and rear shocks to fit our cars.
>> 
>> I recall having read a thread on the Imperial Club's website. I found it, 
and 
>> here it is, complete with misspellings:
>> 
>> Tip from Philippe:
>> Just a little story about shock absorbers, I think that it could help you 
and 
>> the Imperial owners. Last year I bought a 57 wrecked Crown (no glasses, rust 
>> everywhere, transmission « out »). This car was neglected since 1966 so all 
>>the 
>>
>> parts on it were never replaced with aftermarket parts ! Except one thing : 
>>the 
>>
>> shock absorbers! Maybe the original « Oriflow » weren't as strong as 
Chrysler 
>> said! I was very surprised when I removed the shocks : they aren't « made in 
>> Brazil or Mexico » as actual sold by K....R or B......M. There are KONI 
>>shocks, 
>>
>> a very reliable & famous make (more expensive also). But I don't know if 
Koni 
>> make them always. Summit has Koni shocks on his catalog. I give you the 
>> reference (as they are the same from 57 to 65) : Front : 80 C 1229 Rear : 82 
>> 1066 Date of manufacturing : 11/64 If they are always manufactured, buy them 
>>and 
>>
>> don't buy $80.00 for four : I bought 4 gaz charged absorbers (from kanter) : 
>> after one year, one was leaking and one was jamed ! Mexico made ...
>> >>Follow-up from Dietmar:
>> >>>You are right- KONI is the worlds best qualitiy shock absorbers for 
street 
>>and 
>>
>> >>>race cars. They will serve You a 100 000 miles without any complain. I 
use 
>>them 
>>
>> >>>on my IMP 60 so this havy car dont swim nor incline in the curve, I use 
>>KONI 
>>an 
>>
>> >>>all sports car I have.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>---
>> >>>
>> 
>> So I sent an email to Koni North America, inquiring about the above 
mentioned 
>> part numbers. Here is the reply:
>> 
>> From: "Mclaughlin, Paul - ITT Motion Technologies"
>> 
>> Haven't had those part#'s for years... I think u have to buy 50 cars sets 
>each 
>>
>> to get run made in Holland.
>> 
>> Paul McLaughlin
>> Koni Shock Absorbers
>> ITT Corporation
>> Racing Technical Sales Rep.
>> 1961A International Way
>> Hebron, Ky. 41048
>> 800-922-2616 option 6
>> 
>> ---
>> 
>> I checked on prices of Koni shocks. They are much more than the KYBs - for 
>> example, on Koni's website, a pair of front shocks for a 1970 Dodge 
>Challenger 
>
>> lists for $320/pair (online price, $240) and the rear pair list for $380 
>>(online 
>>
>> price, $285). And they do go for upwards of $500/pair in some cases.
>> 
>> To make the minimum order, I think it would be difficult to convince a total 
>>of 
>>
>> 50 people worldwide, between both 300 clubs, the Imperial Club, both 
>Christine 
>
>> clubs, and all the members of the Forwardlook list, to drop $600 on a set of 
>> Koni shocks, when there are discussions of the KYBs being far too expensive 
>at 
>>
>> over $100/set . . . and I wouldn't drive another one of these cars without 
at 
>> least KYBs on it. The difference, to you who don't know, is like AM radio 
>> versus satellite radio. 
>> 
>> I personally would buy at least 2 sets of the Konis, after experiencing the 
>> profound difference of KYBs, and knowing the Konis are another quantum leap 
>> forward - I've only run them 65,000 miles on one car I've owned (a '62 
Morgan 
>> +4) and was very impressed. One important and interesting feature of the 
>>Konis, 
>>
>> is that they are adjustable for firmness/softness in their rebound action. 
>> http://www.koni-na.com/comp.cfm
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> John Spiers
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> 
>> 
>> There are some H.D. choices out there. Not many cheap one though.
>> 
>>http://www.amazon.com/Bilstein-Heavy-Duty-Shock-Absorber/dp/B001HIAMWU/ref=au_pf_pfg_s?ie=UTF8&Model=300|2489&n=15684181&s=automotive&Make=Chrysler|39&Year=1970|1970&newCar=1&carId=001
>>
>>1
>> 
>> Bill Huff
>> 
>> At 7/21/201111:58 AM, Michael Moore wrote:
>> >I installed those on my 300H and was grateful to get them.
>> >I wish they were stiffer though.
>> >Its almost as though there are no shocks on the car, but insofar as 
>> >I know, that's all thats available.I wish Koni made a set to fit.
>> >Mike Moore
>> >300H
>> >
>> >
>> >On Jul 21, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Tony Bevacqua wrote:
>> >
>> > > KYB shocks. KG4507 and KG 5511 are the correct ones. I just made a
>> > > purchase for my 57 (shocks are correct for 1957 to 1964, I believe).
>> > > $116.32 for the 4 shocks, plus handling, etc.
>> > > Tony
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> > > Behalf Of Marshall Larson
>> > > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 8:26 AM
>> > > To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > > Subject: [Chrysler300] Shocks.
>> > >
>> > > Any suggestions for an appropriate brand and model of shocks for a G. I
>> > > don't need anything exotic, just proper ride and to deal with the radials
>> > > that are on the car. All suggestions appreciated.
>> > >
>> > > MN Marshall
>> > >
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