On the topic of hardtops (the weak link to 300 related material), I believe it is generally considered that the 1946 Chrysler Town & Country was the first American car designed as a 2-door hardtop (it didn't actually make production until 1950, but was used in advertising I think). Some AACA guys try to claim that "hardtops" go all the way back to a customized 1915 Packard, but I'm not buying that argument. And the last American hardtop was the Chrysler New Yorker in 1978 (4 door model; the 2-dr model wasn't really a hardtop anymore). That sound right? Some might argue it was the 1983 Imperial (or Cordoba & Mirada) as they were described as "two door specialty hardtops" by Chrysler, but they weren't really 2-dr hardtops in the traditional sense as the rear windows were fixed. Little known factoid- the 1974 and 1975 Imperial 2-dr with the rare "Crown Coupe" option (later called St. Regis on the New Yorkers) were actually 2-dr hardtops of sorts because it was a post-assembly line conversion. If you removed the rear trim panels on these cars, you'd find "virgin" power window motors on the rear windows and if you hooked up a pw switch, the rear windows would raise and lower within the "crown coupe" roof. Something only a lunatic Mopar guy would do. Been there, did that. Carl Bilter _____ From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Don Warnaar Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 4:47 PM To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Lettercars@xxxxxxx Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 50's Car Test Gil and all, Actually we both spelled it wrong. Yours was probably a typo. Belvedere, no extra e. Most makes of cars used special names for their hardtop models in the '40s and '50s. Chevrolet brought out its first hardtop in 1950 and named it the Bel Air. Other GM makes: Pontiac Catalina, Olds Holiday, Buick Riviera, Cadillac Coupe de Ville. Chrysler Corp. - Dodge Diplomat, DeSoto Sportsman, Chrysler Newport, Plymouth Belevedere Ford - Ford Victoria, Mercury Monterey. Lincoln used the Capri name but it appears that it was used for "non hardtop coupe" models in the line also. Others: Packard Mayfair, Hudson Hollywood, Nash Country Club, Studebaker Starliner, Willys Bermuda Several of those hardtop names were extended to a full line later on, such as Bel Air, Belvedere, Newport and Monterey. Ford later used the Crown Victoria name for sedans, but not Victoria alone.. Anyone have anything to add or correct? Actually this subject relates to 300 Letter Cars quite well. All the Letter Series coupes during the '50s and '60s were pillar-less hardtops. Don Warnaar ----- Original Message ----- From: Lettercars@xxxxxxx <mailto:Lettercars%40aol.com> <mailto:Lettercars@xxxxxxx <mailto:Lettercars%40aol.com> > To: 300country@xxxxxxx <mailto:300country%40msn.com> <mailto:300country@xxxxxxx <mailto:300country%40msn.com> > ; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Chrysler300%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Chrysler300%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 50's Car Test Don and All: I think the Bel Air in 1952 was Chevy's name for their hardtop. (Like Victoria for Ford and Newport for Chrysler.) Yes, the "Savoy" was a Belevedere---correct spelling Don??? Got it out of my old Motor Trend. Yes, this old guy got them all right too. Don't want to try my hand at any other decade, though. If they had both the '52 and '53 Mercs, I might have been in deep do-do. Well, enough of this illegal list server talk! 300ly, Gil Cunningham Absolutely beautiful day in Tally, FL In a message dated 11/9/2011 8:23:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 300country@xxxxxxx <mailto:300country%40msn.com> writes: I got all of them also. There were a few models that were identified with the wrong series - such as the Savoy vs. Belvidere. 1953 wasn't one of the choices given for that Mercury quiz, thus making it much easier. Don Warnaar ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Kern<mailto:robkern@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:robkern%40sbcglobal.net> > To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Chrysler300%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Chrysler300%40yahoogroups.com> > ; Larry Jabin<mailto:larry@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:larry%40pwbsfo.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 50's Car Test I scored 100% The '52 and '54 Mercury's almost got me! Rob Kern From: Larry Jabin Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 12:41 PM To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Chrysler300%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Chrysler300%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [Chrysler300] 50's Car Test Sorry 300s but thought everyone would enjoy this Larry Jabin I missed one 50's Car Test All right you young & older whipper-snappers, let's see how you do. Be honest with yourself..no cheating. See how you do. The average score is 73% This will really rattle the cobwebs in the 'ol brain. http://www.americantorque.com/game/car-show-50s/<http://www.americantorque.c om/game/car-show-50s/> -- = [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ To send a message to this group, send an email to: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Chrysler300%40yahoogroups.com> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bob%40simplexco.com> or go to http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Chrysler300/join and select the "Leave Group" button For list server instructions, go to http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm For archives go to http://www.forwardlook.net/300-archive/search.htm#querylangYahoo! 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