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- From: Don Dulmage <big-d@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:38:56 -0400
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If you could add oil drainback holes (or tubes and fittings)and weld 8 bolt
bosses to the valley area both of which are entirely possible (although not
too practical) you would be there. 440 HEMI!
Don
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From: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 6:43 AM
Subject: Digest for 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx, issue 2169
-- Topica Digest --
RE: Wrong bearings...and other engine building frusterations...
By KWesterlund@xxxxxxxxxx
RE: Monster Mopar:Early roll call.
By icantdrive55@xxxxxxxxx
RE: Monster Mopar:Early roll call.
By hemirr@xxxxxxxxxxx
crate motors
By big-d@xxxxxxxxxxxx
RE: Monster Mopar:Early roll call.
By whdavid@xxxxxxxxx
Re: Monster Mopar:Early roll call.
By wedge65@xxxxxxxxxxx
on vacation
By Streetwedg@xxxxxxx
RE: on vacation
By icantdrive55@xxxxxxxxx
Restoration Primers and Coatings
By tpeckham@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
RE: Restoration Primers and Coatings
By earlh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Vacation
By ledman_70@xxxxxxxxxxx
RE: Wrong bearings...and other engine building frusterations...
By sixtyfourmopar@xxxxxxxxx
Re: Restoration Primers and Coatings
By tpeckham@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Re: Restoration Primers and Coatings
By sixfivemopar@xxxxxxxxx
Oil squirter holes on connecting rods
By sixtyfourmopar@xxxxxxxxx
Re: Restoration Primers and Coatings
By djohn14296@xxxxxxxxx
New Swap Meet Listings
By 62to65mopar@xxxxxxxxxxx
Re: on vacation
By MOPAR413@xxxxxxx
Re: crate motors
By dcasey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Re: Moving...
By tomwatters@xxxxxxxxxxx
318 Poly engine picture request!!!
By sixtyfourmopar@xxxxxxxxx
Re: 318 Poly engine picture request!!!
By dcasey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Re: 318 Poly engine picture request!!!
By sixtyfourmopar@xxxxxxxxx
Re: 318 Poly engine picture request!!!
By dcasey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:03:38 -0400
From: "Westerlund, Ken" <KWesterlund@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Wrong bearings...and other engine building frusterations...
Andy,
I just went through this on the list for my 440.
The consensus was that the oil holes on the rod bearing were eliminated
at some point and not necessary.
Regards,
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Grow [mailto:sixtyfourmopar@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 2:11 AM
To: 62 to 65 Mopar list
Subject: Wrong bearings...and other engine building frusterations...
Argh!
Just when we were ready to complete putting the bottom end back together
(we got the crank in and ready), we laid out the rod bearings and found
that 10 of the 16 bearings have the oil galleys, and the other 6 did NOT
have them! Interesting thing is that they came from 8 boxes, and all
the part numbers on the boxes are identical.
This might not be an issue for you guys, but for me this is a 2-3 day
setback since I can't get these bearings on the island, and have to see
if anyone in Anchorage has them - if not I have to mail order from the
lower-48. We were all set to get the bottom end done and "buttoned up"
- but NO!
Not sure if Clevite is to blame, or if the machine shop we bought them
from swapped 'em out - either way it's frusterating!
Thanks for letting me vent...
Andy
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:16:20 -0500
From: "Scott Underwood" <icantdrive55@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Monster Mopar:Early roll call.
Yup, I'll be there this year. Just received my event flyer last week. NSS
cars will be running again this year in addition to Nostalgia Funny Cars.
The Monster Mopar Weekend website has been updated with 2004 info if you
want to read up on it.
http://www.monstermopar.com/
What do you say, guys? Should we try to hook up at the show for a little
while? Like maybe in the NSS pits so we can check out the cars and watch
them make a pass? Think about it and then we can discuss it as the date of
the show draws near.
Scott
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:14:32 +0000
From: "bill parker" <hemirr@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Monster Mopar:Early roll call.
Pretty sure we'll be there again this year, its become Kathi's favorite show
and we usually hit the art museum or zoo or whatever during the trip too. I
almost always manage to make a nice score at the swap meet which is smaller
but less competitive than the Nats. We generally drive the Lemon Twist '72
Cuda and set up a 12X12 canopy behind it, last year a neighboring car owner
spent most of Saturday under our canopy too, what the hey it was hot.
Bill & Kathi Parker, South Central Indiana
'56 Chrysler Windsor; '60 Chrysler Saratoga; '62 Plymouth Max Wedge; '64
Dart convertible; '65 Barracuda \6; '65 Imperial; '68 Barracuda FB 340-S;
'69 Barracuda FB now 360; '72 Cuda '340
>From: Dave Walters <whdavid@xxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
>To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Monster Mopar:Early roll call.
>Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 02:10:44 +0000
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:00:24 -0400
From: "Don Dulmage" <big-d@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: crate motors
I still think crate motors are too expensive. Most motors we do even at this
retired state during which we charge more because of our interuption of free
time dont even come close to crate motor prices.
Most engines run between 3000 and 4000 with 4000 being core charge
included.
And those are in Canadian Dollars.
I see the 6 pack blocks for 5500 US.
I would be glad to supply them for that .
should be about 2500 to 2700 Can without heads.
You can get a balanced forged piston rotating assembly from Muscle Motors
for a 440 for $1750 US
Add a cam and a bored and cleaned block with freeze plugs and cam bearings
and timing chain set and you have a very hi quality engine far superior to
any crate engine for an about 450 more plus the price of your block which
should run between 200 to 300 Us
That gives 1750 + 450 + 300 = 2500US And that is a REALLY good engine with
some very very good parts.
It could certainly be done cheaper as well .
(Ie L2355f pistons from Summit $349) The whole rebuild kit for about $549
, Grind your crank $100 (max) Resize rods with new bolts $225. Balance $175
So 549 + 100 + 225 +175 = 1000 +450 + 300 = 1750 for the exact same deal as
the crate 6 pack motor. Prices may vary a bit but not more than a couple of
hundred Dollars.
If you don't like putting it together yourself there is not a qualified
mechanic alive who wouldnt assemble it some evening for a hundred bucks cash
and an extra large pizza. The pizza by the way is what makes it work and it
must be extra large otherwise you are percieved and being "Squeaky" and may
not get the job done. It might not make sense to you but it is how we
wrenches think.
Add a set of heads of your choice with appropriate springs (heads run from
750 to 1750 and the appropriate valve gear( Pushrods and rockers) and you
are done ready for your manifold and pan and valve covers .
Either engine will hammer a crate motor into the weeds.
With the hemi just the pistons would be more expensive, The rest of the
parts are the same except the heads.
Not everyones cup of tea maybe but still worth thinking about before you
make Herr Schlemp (MP) richer again.
Don
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:27:06 +0000
From: Dave Walters <whdavid@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Monster Mopar:Early roll call.
Scott Underwood wrote:
>
> Yup, I'll be there this year. Just received my event flyer last week.
> NSS
> cars will be running again this year in addition to Nostalgia Funny
> Cars.
>
> The Monster Mopar Weekend website has been updated with 2004 info if you
> want to read up on it.
>
> http://www.monstermopar.com/
>
> What do you say, guys? Should we try to hook up at the show for a
> little
> while? Like maybe in the NSS pits so we can check out the cars and
> watch
> them make a pass? Think about it and then we can discuss it as the date
> of
> the show draws near.
>
> Scott
>
>
Sounds good to me.I'll be paying Rich a visit in the NSS pit anyway.
Dave Walters
Denver, Co.
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:21:07 -0500
From: "Gary" <wedge65@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Monster Mopar:Early roll call.
I am planning on going this year even without a car. I am looking forward to
meeting some of the 62-65 people. Gary Bradshaw Ft. Worth, Texas
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To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 9:27 AM
Subject: RE: Monster Mopar:Early roll call.
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Scott Underwood wrote:
>
> Yup, I'll be there this year. Just received my event flyer last week.
> NSS
> cars will be running again this year in addition to Nostalgia Funny
> Cars.
>
> The Monster Mopar Weekend website has been updated with 2004 info if you
> want to read up on it.
>
> http://www.monstermopar.com/
>
> What do you say, guys? Should we try to hook up at the show for a
> little
> while? Like maybe in the NSS pits so we can check out the cars and
> watch
> them make a pass? Think about it and then we can discuss it as the date
> of
> the show draws near.
>
> Scott
>
>
Sounds good to me.I'll be paying Rich a visit in the NSS pit anyway.
Dave Walters
Denver, Co.
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:22:51 -0400
From: Streetwedg@xxxxxxx
Subject: on vacation
i am on vacation and drove from ohio to portland or. i saw a 65 coronet 500
conv in astoria or. it looked like it had no engine
am in colorado springs now. are there any members in colo. springs?
i will be here untill thursday mourning
streetwedg
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:14:46 -0500
From: "Scott Underwood" <icantdrive55@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: on vacation
Streetwedg, I'm not in Colo., but am in Des Moines, IA. If you are passing
through on I-80 and have any car problems, or are stopping for food or the
night, or just a making a pit stop, feel free to give me a call & maybe we
can have a cup o' Joe.
I can email you my phone number if you would like.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Streetwedg
i am on vacation and drove from ohio to portland or. i saw a 65 coronet 500
conv in astoria or. it looked like it had no engine
am in colorado springs now. are there any members in colo. springs?
i will be here untill thursday mourning
streetwedg
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:15:40 -0400
From: "Ted&Brenda Peckham" <tpeckham@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Restoration Primers and Coatings
Does anyone have past experience with POR 15 or Eastwood Rust
Encapsulator. I have removed the front fenders and stripped the inner fender
and unibody of the undercoatings (RustyJones). Then I sandblasted the rusty
areas. I get various opinions from the locals and they are all different,
some of which sound like old wives tales.
"Avidflyr"
Poly Polara 500
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:24:26 -0600
From: "Earl Helm" <earlh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Restoration Primers and Coatings
Ted&Brenda,
I have used POR 15 for several years - It is good stuff.... But since I
have
tried the Eastwood Rust Encapsulator I am liking it better. You don't
have
to worry about it being exposed to UV. It is easier to work with, and
easier to paint over. So I am in the process of switching over. I am
going
to do my A body race car completely in the Eastwood product.
Earl
Does anyone have past experience with POR 15 or Eastwood Rust
Encapsulator. I have removed the front fenders and stripped the inner
fender and unibody of the undercoatings (RustyJones). Then I sandblasted
the rusty areas. I get various opinions from the locals and they are all
different, some of which sound like old wives tales.
"Avidflyr"
Poly Polara 500
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:44:54 +0000
From: <ledman_70@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Vacation
I'm leaving for vacation Thursday, any list members in Dothan, Alabama?
Jeff Adams
64 Polara
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:54:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andy Grow <sixtyfourmopar@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Wrong bearings...and other engine building frusterations...
Thanks to those who replied. For future reference, I sent an email to
Clevite (Dana Corp) and here is there reply...
"As of 9/17/2003 the following part numbers and all undersizes will no
longer be manufactured with a parting line oil hole. Originally these
bearings
were designed with a half circle type notch on the parting line (see picture
below).
When the bearings are installed into the connecting rod this created an oil
hole at the bearing parting line. Our engineers have determined that this
oil hole
is no longer necessary and removing it will not effect the performance of
these bearings."
Guess everything I learned about bearings many years ago no longer
stands...! :D
Andy
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:25:51 -0400
From: "Ted&Brenda Peckham" <tpeckham@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Restoration Primers and Coatings
Thanks Earl,
. You confirmed my suspicions. I also just received info on a
product called "Picklex 20" www.picklex.com. It is pricey but sounds like an
all in one product (metal prep, rust converter, sealer/primer).
"Avidflyr"
Poly Polara 500
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From: "Earl Helm" <earlh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 2:24 PM
Subject: RE: Restoration Primers and Coatings
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Ted&Brenda,
I have used POR 15 for several years - It is good stuff.... But since I
have
tried the Eastwood Rust Encapsulator I am liking it better. You don't
have
to worry about it being exposed to UV. It is easier to work with, and
easier to paint over. So I am in the process of switching over. I am
going
to do my A body race car completely in the Eastwood product.
Earl
Does anyone have past experience with POR 15 or Eastwood Rust
Encapsulator. I have removed the front fenders and stripped the inner
fender and unibody of the undercoatings (RustyJones). Then I sandblasted
the rusty areas. I get various opinions from the locals and they are all
different, some of which sound like old wives tales.
"Avidflyr"
Poly Polara 500
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:26:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mark Parsons <sixfivemopar@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Restoration Primers and Coatings
Hey,
I'll also vote for Rust Encapsulator. It is UV resistant, and now that they
have it in black, even better. Prep is easy, it stores well...I've had great
luck with it.
Mark Parsons
'65 Bel II
'65 Valiant 'vert
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Does anyone have past experience with POR 15 or Eastwood Rust Encapsulator.
I have removed the front fenders and stripped the inner fender and unibody
of the undercoatings (RustyJones). Then I sandblasted the rusty areas. I get
various opinions from the locals and they are all different, some of which
sound like old wives tales.
"Avidflyr"
Poly Polara 500
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:44:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andy Grow <sixtyfourmopar@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Oil squirter holes on connecting rods
Fellers,
I'd like to get a consensus here...I'm rebuilding a 40 year old 318 Poly,
using the stock connecting rods. As some of you may have read, some of the
rod bearings I have do not have the hole cutout for the oil squirter.
Clevite's engineers say that they (the holes) are not needed. Since their
bearings no longer have the holes in them, it will be cutting off the oil
flow/squirt from into the underside of the opposing piston.
Just wondering what YOUR thoughts are on this. I figure the squirter holes
in the rods are there for a reason - but obviously Clevite doesn't think so.
Thanks,
Andy
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:18:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dennis <djohn14296@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Restoration Primers and Coatings
Ted, I swear by Por 15, it is the best stuff I have ever used and it holds
up for ever, as long as you follow the directions. I have probably over the
years used all their products with great results. Did the whole underside of
my 65 Coronet in dull POR 15, ended up great. Front suspension was all done
in gun metal grey. Again great results. Stock exhaust, were done with there
high temp paint, holds up better than all the other paints, doesn't
dis-color with time. JM2CW. Dennis
Does anyone have past experience with POR 15
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65 Dodge Coronet
'04 Ram Hemi
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 03:02:09 +0000
From: Gary H. <62to65mopar@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: New Swap Meet Listings
Hi all,
Below are the latest listings on the '62 to '65 swap meet page.
Enjoy!
Thanks,
Gary H.
~~~~~~~
FOR SALE
1963 Plymouth Fury Station Wagon - sounds good just wait! Factory Power
Brakes, Factory Power Steering, Factory power rear window, Factory Air
Conditioning, Factory Luggage Rack, Factory wind deflectors on the rear,
Factory 9 passenger, Factory push button Transmission and Factory 383
Golden Commando engine.
The car has the fender tags and original certi-card and all original
owners Manual and certi-book. The car is born and raised in Arizona and
has one spot of rust in the spare tire carrier. ALL number match on
this rare and unique car. To the best of my knowledge with these
options it is 1 of only 1 made.
Great Car! I am asking $6,500 Please call Mark 480-204-1091 (July 27,
2004)
1964 Plymouth Fury Convertible. The car was born in Texas and moved to
Arizona in 2002. It does have a few pin holes around the rear tire in
the rear 1/4's very easy fix and very minor. The car has a brand new
318 (originally came with a 318) and a push button automatic
transmission. Mechanically everything works great. It has power
steering and factory Air conditioning (not
currently working). It has the fender tag and certi-card book but no
certicard. The engine #'s do not match for sure - I never checked the
transmission after the engine did not match. The car has a power top
and is turquoise in color with turquoise interior and white top. I am
asking $5,500 please call Mark
at 480-204-1091 (July 27, 2004)
1964 Dodge 880 See http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/day64.html --
(July 27, 2004)
1965 Plymouth Belvedere I. It has all of its original parts and is in
excellent condition. Michael corrs358@xxxxxxx (July 27, 2004)
1965 Dodge Polara, parting out rusty Ohio car Mark [419]241-9125 or
marksmoparparts@xxxxxxx (July 27, 2004)
WANTED
Wanted: I am looking for original door glass for my 1962 Sport Fury. I
need the passenger door glass, tempered type glass with the Forward look
emblem etched into it as original. Used glass in good condition is
acceptable. dahl@xxxxxxxxxx (July 27, 2004)
Wanted: brake/tail lights for 1964 Dodge Dart. Red with two chrome
rings, an inner and outer ring. Mike. hoosiertrojan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (July
27, 2004)
Wanted: Hubcap for 1965 Chrysler Newport. See
http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/ml-gibson65.html for picture and
contact info. (July 27, 2004)
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:14:33 -0700
From: "GARY WILSON" <MOPAR413@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: on vacation
Did you get a number for the 65 Convert. I live not too far away from
Astoria. May be a can check it out. Wish I had know you were in Oregon,
Maybe could have got together for coffee.
MOPAR413 (Gary) 64 Polora 500
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From: Scott U<mailto:icantdrive55@xxxxxxxxx>
To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 11:14 AM
Subject: RE: on vacation
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Streetwedg, I'm not in Colo., but am in Des Moines, IA. If you are
passing
through on I-80 and have any car problems, or are stopping for food or the
night, or just a making a pit stop, feel free to give me a call & maybe we
can have a cup o' Joe.
I can email you my phone number if you would like.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Streetwedg
i am on vacation and drove from ohio to portland or. i saw a 65 coronet
500
conv in astoria or. it looked like it had no engine
am in colorado springs now. are there any members in colo. springs?
i will be here untill thursday mourning
streetwedg
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:30:55 -0500
From: "Dave Casey" <dcasey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: crate motors
Don -
Did you mean everything else being the same as far as machine shop
labor? Or can I get crafty with a drill and make a 440 block a hemi?
Dave Casey
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From: "Don Dulmage" <big-d@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 9:00 AM
Subject: crate motors
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>
>
> I still think crate motors are too expensive. Most motors we do even at
this retired state during which we charge more because of our interuption of
free time dont even come close to crate motor prices.
> Most engines run between 3000 and 4000 with 4000 being core charge
included.
> And those are in Canadian Dollars.
>
> I see the 6 pack blocks for 5500 US.
> I would be glad to supply them for that .
> should be about 2500 to 2700 Can without heads.
> You can get a balanced forged piston rotating assembly from Muscle Motors
for a 440 for $1750 US
> Add a cam and a bored and cleaned block with freeze plugs and cam bearings
and timing chain set and you have a very hi quality engine far superior to
any crate engine for an about 450 more plus the price of your block which
should run between 200 to 300 Us
> That gives 1750 + 450 + 300 = 2500US And that is a REALLY good engine with
some very very good parts.
> It could certainly be done cheaper as well .
> (Ie L2355f pistons from Summit $349) The whole rebuild kit for about
$549 , Grind your crank $100 (max) Resize rods with new bolts $225. Balance
$175
> So 549 + 100 + 225 +175 = 1000 +450 + 300 = 1750 for the exact same deal
as the crate 6 pack motor. Prices may vary a bit but not more than a couple
of hundred Dollars.
> If you don't like putting it together yourself there is not a qualified
mechanic alive who wouldnt assemble it some evening for a hundred bucks cash
and an extra large pizza. The pizza by the way is what makes it work and it
must be extra large otherwise you are percieved and being "Squeaky" and may
not get the job done. It might not make sense to you but it is how we
wrenches think.
> Add a set of heads of your choice with appropriate springs (heads run
from 750 to 1750 and the appropriate valve gear( Pushrods and rockers) and
you are done ready for your manifold and pan and valve covers .
> Either engine will hammer a crate motor into the weeds.
> With the hemi just the pistons would be more expensive, The rest of the
parts are the same except the heads.
> Not everyones cup of tea maybe but still worth thinking about before you
make Herr Schlemp (MP) richer again.
> Don
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:47:15 -0600
From: "Tom Watters" <tomwatters@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Moving...
Well, we made it safely here, now for the stress of unpacking and such.
Glad the drive over the mountains is over. Took 10 hours from Longmont
to Grand Junction in the moving truck...
Will hopefully be settled enough to read thru much of the mail in my
mailbox soon.
Have a good one...
--Tom
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Tom,
Will miss you at the club meetings and shows.See you when you move back
to Denver.
Dave Walters
Denver, Co.
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Good luck to you and yours with your new venture. Talk to you soon
;+)
Joe
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:52:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andy Grow <sixtyfourmopar@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 318 Poly engine picture request!!!
Hoping that someone out there has some pictures of your engine with all the
topside stuff removed. Basically I am looking for a picture of the pistons
sitting in the block, from the top.
If you have a picture of your disassembly and/or reassembly, I would really
appreciate it if you would shoot me a copy of it, off list please.
Thanks!
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:29:07 -0500
From: "Dave Casey" <dcasey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 318 Poly engine picture request!!!
Dot points toward the front of the engine. Anything else?
Dave Casey
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> Hoping that someone out there has some pictures of your engine with all
the topside stuff removed. Basically I am looking for a picture of the
pistons sitting in the block, from the top.
>
> If you have a picture of your disassembly and/or reassembly, I would
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:04:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andy Grow <sixtyfourmopar@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 318 Poly engine picture request!!!
Haha you got it Dave. Actually, my pistons don't have dots on them, they
actually have an arrow pointing forward. What I'm wondering is if the valve
reliefs on the pistons are in the same location on the left bank pistons AND
the right bank ones.
Andy
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:25:17 -0500
From: "Dave Casey" <dcasey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 318 Poly engine picture request!!!
Your first priority is the arrows. Now, hold a piston with the arrow
pointing to your left, and look at the top of it. Turn it 180 degrees and
note that the valve reliefs are in the same place, and should be of equal
size for universal fit. If you're not sure of your eye, hold one in the
block and use a magic marker to index the relief and arrow locations. Get
crafty and use a black marker for one direction and a red marker for the
other. There should be no difference.
Dave Casey
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> Haha you got it Dave. Actually, my pistons don't have dots on them, they
actually have an arrow pointing forward. What I'm wondering is if the valve
reliefs on the pistons are in the same location on the left bank pistons AND
the right bank ones.
> Andy
>
> Dave Casey <dcasey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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