What?!? Catch up to Pontiac? Everything I've ever read that gives the GTO credit for "creating" the musclecar states overwhelmingly that it was because Pontiac, as you say, had the "guts to take the risk" of PUTTING A BIG ENGINE IN A MIDSIZED CAR, ad infinitum. That's all the writers ever talk about. Yes, it was risky and took guts--over at GM, where this was forbidden. This was old news over at Chrysler, who had been doing just that since 1962, as common practice, mind you, with 361's, 383's, etc. So, once this "proved popular, and profitable, did the others climb on board," confuses me. Did Chrysler stop doing this briefly, then start up again after the GTO? Nope. All Pontiac did was MARKET the concept superbly. In my book, "marketing" a product and "creating" a product are two very different things. John DeLorean, and his GTO, were latecomers to Mopar's dance. They just went home with the girl. Sean Jim Ozolins wrote: > Chrysler, Ford, and the rest of GM had to catch up to Pontiac after the introduction of the GTO. Only Pontiac had the foresight and the guts to take the risk, and once it proved popular, and profitable, did the others climb on board. ---- Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html.