I posted about this subject a couple days ago, but seems like I got booted by Topica (again), so I dont think it made it. Anyway, here's why I've lost this argument for the last 35 years. According to the Auto Magazines, and later, the automotive shows on TV, and a couple of books about cars of the '60's I have somewhere, the GTO gets the credit because it was the first car to be a performance only model. The Sport Furys, Dodge 500s Cheby SS's and Ford 500's were TRIM packages. All were available with everything from 6 cylinders, to the biggest V8's each company made. Although the GTO was obviously built from the LeMans, and the LeMans could be had with a big engine, the GTO only came with a performance engine, in a basically light weight stripped down body. That didnt happen to Mopar till the GTX and RT. My thinking of the 300 being a performance only model was met by, "that was a performance luxury car". Anyway, the criteria seems to be, midsize, lightweight, 2dr, performance engine only model. Thats where the GTO gets the credit. So maybe our Mopars weren't the first muscle cars per say, but they may very well have been the first cars with real muscle, when you look at the 62 Maxies, the 64 Hemi's, and the 65 Street Hemi. Not to mention all the "regular" big blocks. Not even the drag racers from the early 60's will deny that. Many brand X racers switched in the 62 to 64 era. (Sox & Martin) Someone mentioned the 383 Fury against the GTO being a good race. It was. When I was 16 I got my first 63 Fury 383 auto. A rival of mine from a nearby town had a 64 GTO. It WAS a good race, but in several matchups, the closest he ever got was my back bumper. That's just my 2 cents worth. Your mileage may vary.... ---- Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html.