Bill, I have been following your take on this subject, an are you sure you not a economist? LOL. You have hit the nail right on the head each time, just like nails in a coffin. I still do not see Chrysler being saved, it may end up taking a few more years, but the hand writing is on hte wall. Don't we just love the world economy and this new worls market. If I worked for Chrysler right now, even as bad as the job market is becoming, I'd be looking for another job, call it jumping ship, but the higher ups have no problem with walking in one day with pink slips and AMF, this is your last day, have a good life. JM2CW Dennis J. Bill Watson wrote: Cerberus owns 51% of GMAC and GM owns the other 49%. Cerberus wants that 49%. Period. On the other side of the equation, GM wants Chrysler's cash and the government money. A GM-Chrysler deal would be an economic disaster for North America as a combined GM-Chrysler can keep all the Chrysler lines, transfer them all to unused GM plants, fire every single Chrysler employee, close all Chrysler factories, take all the government money, and continue on as if nothing happened. Probably into oblivion the way GM has been handling things this past 20 years. As far as manpower and plant facilities are concerned, Chrysler is just excess baggage. Chrysler has the Jeep, the Dodge Caravan, the Dodge Ram (some say), and $11 billion in cash and marketable securities. That "marketable securities" places the true value of the $11 billion in question, IMHO. Everything else that Chrysler has is of no use to GM as they have too many factories, employees and dealers now. Thus GM's acquistion of Chrysler will result in the single biggest employee layoff and plant closings the U.S. and Canada has ever seen. Add to that the layoffs and plant closures of Chrysler's suppliers. It will be the equivalent of Chrysler going bankrupt and will be enough to bring the economies of this continent to the brink of a depression, if not right into it. We are talking tens of thousands of people losing their jobs in one day. If the Bush administration has nixed the GM-Chrysler deal, it marks one occassion they have got it right. And this is also proof that a car company (ie, Chrysler) needs to be run by people who know cars and not people with more money than brains (ie, Cerberus). Bill Vancouver, BC ---- Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html.