Re: Re[2]: GM-Chrysler Merger Talks to Intensify After Election

[MrChristopher1@xxxxxxxxxxx]

I appreciate everyone's opinion, but I have to agree with Lester, this topic has gotten long in the tooth and isn't 62-65 Mopar specific.

--Christopher
'64 Dodge 440 2 Dr. Hard Top 
'87 Dodge Ramcharger 
'00 Merc Berz C230 Kompressor 16.73 1/4 - (Hey, It's DaimlerChrysler)

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From: Lester Stockhorst <llstockhorst@xxxxxxxxxxx> 

> 
> What happened to the discussion about 62-65 Mopars that I love so much? 
> 
> Lester S 
> 64 Dodge Dart Convertible 
> 64 Plymouth Fury Convertible (Project) 
> Too many 62-65's to mention 
> 
> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** 
> 
> On 11/5/2008 at 1:06 PM Spicemanii@xxxxxxx wrote: 
> 
> >Now, ask yourself, do I have any foreign cars? Even if assembled here, 
> >the money still goes out of country. I give no crap on gas mileage or 
> >longivity, because I only see old American cars still going, not econo 
> >foreign crap. Think about this for a second or two, If it gets good 
> >mileage, it does not hold its value. If it gets what many call, bad gas 
> >mileage, it goes up in value. Obviously their are a few things to also 
> >consider, like, muscle or convert or fin ear cars, as these do go up in 
> >value. I figure the gas mileage is made up in higher value as I drive 
> >them. The other is the repair of an older car in maintenance is lower than 
> >the repair of a econo car. Ever check what a trans axle cost to repair? 
> >Starter or air conditioner on a newer car? How about the cost of gas 
> >compared to blood? I will always take the bigger, heavier American over 
> >the loss of blood against a small foreign or American made small car. I 
> >win everytime. I could go on, but I love to tinker on my old cars more. 
> >later, joe machado 
> > 
> > 
> >-----Original Message----- 
> >From: Dennis J. 
> >To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx 
> >Sent: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 8:04 am 
> >Subject: RE: GM-Chrysler Merger Talks to Intensify After Election 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >I know that this not the normal form for this, but it has to do with our 
> >cars. Think about this, at the present rate, it is very possible that in 
> >the near future, we may not have an American car maker? If Chrysler goes 
> >under, GM is likely to follow, how far can Ford be? It is a sad day for 
> >all Americans if that happens. jm2cw. 
> >Steve Chervinsky wrote: 
> >> 
> >> I received a note in the mail that Chrysler Financial would no longer 
> >> be the underwriter of the contract of my Dodge Ram, but payments will 
> >> still be made in the name of Chrysler Financial. They are liquidating 
> >> big time! 
> >> 
> >> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:42 PM, Bill Watson wrote: 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > Right now GM owns 49% of GMAC. Cerberus owns the other 51%. Which 
> >is 
> >> > why 
> >> > Cerberus is at GM's door - I give you Chrysler, you give us 49% of 
> >GMAC 
> >> > - 
> >> > that sort of stuff. 
> >> > 
> >> > And GMAC is not in good shape. They got into the housing mortgage 
> >> > market, 
> >> > and I think you can take it from there. GMAC is presently lining up 
> >> > for 
> >> > federal mortgage money and wants to change over to a bank 
> >classification 
> >> > to 
> >> > open up a wider source of working capital. 
> >> > 
> >> > Another thought came to mind - what of Chrysler Financial? What 
> >> > happens to 
> >> > it? CF never got into mortgages so it should be doing well. 
> >> > 
> >> > All GM comes away with is a duplicate of itself, on a smaller scale, 
> >> > including dealers they don`t need. They get the Jeep and Caravan, 
> >both 
> >> > good 
> >> > sellers and moneymakers when the market is good. Plus a pile of cash 
> >> > that, 
> >> > hopefully, will cover the bills for less than a year. All else is a 
> >> > write-off. Other than the cash there really is nothing there to help 
> >GM 
> >> > in 
> >> > a turnaround situation. 
> >> > 
> >> > Bill 
> >> > Vancouver, BC 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Casey" 
> >> > To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx> 
> >> > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:58 PM 
> >> > Subject: Re: GM-Chrysler Merger Talks to Intensify After Election 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> >> 
> >> >> And I don't see how the deal would be very good for GM either. 
> >They'll 
> >> >> be 
> >> >> giving up the one part of the company that makes money - the 
> >financing. 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Dave Casey 
> >> >> 
> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Watson" 
> >> >> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>; 
> >> >> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 3:49 PM 
> >> >> Subject: Re: GM-Chrysler Merger Talks to Intensify After Election 
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> Obama will not be negotiating anything all by his little ol' 
> >lonesome. 
> >> >>> No 
> >> >>> politician has just as no president has ever written a bill by 
> >himself, 
> >> >>> no 
> >> >>> matter how much he claims the bill is "his". Obama will meet with 
> >> >>> whomever 
> >> >>> with a room full of 'experts' in tow. Just as his campaign 
> >promises 
> >> >>> were 
> >> >>> formulated with assistance with the back room boys, so will any 
> >> >>> agreements 
> >> >>> he may be able to hammer out in the case of the American auto 
> >industry. 
> >> >>> So 
> >> >>> it matters not how much his experience is or is not. The backroom 
> >boys, 
> >> >>> though, that is another matter. Besides, look at the mess the 
> >"experts" 
> >> >>> created with the American auto industry. Maybe some "inexperience" 
> >> >>> might 
> >> >>> open some minds and doors. Including Obama's in the end. 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> The saddest part of this GM-Chrysler deal is that Chrysler is 
> >actually 
> >> >>> in 
> >> >>> better shape than GM. Last year GM lost over $38 billion and its 
> >> >>> October, 
> >> >>> 2008, sales are down 45% compared to last year. It is still #1 in 
> >the 
> >> >>> U.S. 
> >> >>> as Toyota sales fell 23%. GM is presently going through a billion 
> >> >>> dollars 
> >> >>> a month, an improvement of the average $3 billion last year. On the 
> >> >>> other 
> >> >>> hand, Chrysler sales are down 25% and the firm lost a little over a 
> >> >>> billion 
> >> >>> dollars in the first six months of 2008. 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> As to Chrysler's potential loss of 12,000 jobs, note the person being 
> >> >>> quoted has a personal interest in Chrysler. Thus no GM figures. GM 
> >is 
> >> >>> presently cutting back employees and closing plants, more than 
> >Chrysler 
> >> >>> has 
> >> >>> in the same period. Should GM acquire Chrysler, both GM and 
> >Chrysler 
> >> >>> employees and factories will be hit. The 12,000 Chrysler jobs lost 
> >will 
> >> >>> be 
> >> >>> but the tip of the iceburg. 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> There are people out there who say that Chrysler becoming a part of 
> >GM 
> >> >>> is 
> >> >>> best for the survival of Chrysler. I just cannot understand how 
> >some 
> >> >>> people 
> >> >>> wander through life with their eyes closed and their ears plugged. 
> >This 
> >> >>> "merger" will destroy both Chrysler and the American auto industry. 
> >As 
> >> >>> far 
> >> >>> as I am concerned, GM is a black hole when it comes to money. If 
> >this 
> >> >>> situation occurred fifty years, GM would be considering Chapter 11 
> >> >>> proceedings. 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> Bill 
> >> >>> Vancouver, BC 
> >> >>> 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > ---- 
> >> > Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- 
> >> > directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and 
> >> > negotiations 
> >> > as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not 
> >> > to 
> >> > the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, 
> >> > reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to 
> >> > Mopar 
> >> > topic. Thanks! 
> >> > 
> >> > '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: 
> >> > http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html. 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> Steve 
> >> '63 Hemi Polara 
> > 
> > 
> >---- 
> >Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- 
> >directly 
> >to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as 
> >well as 
> >other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the 
> >Clubhouse 
> >public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total 
> >volume 
> >of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! 
> > 
> >'62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: 
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> >Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- 
> >directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and 
> >negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended 
> >recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect 
> >your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content 
> >signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! 
> > 
> >'62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: 
> >http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html. 
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> Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly 
> to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as 
> other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse 
> public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total volume 
> of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! 
> 
> '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: 
> http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html. 
> 
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