Re: 4 speed firewall reinforcements

[john althaus <althausjbl@xxxxxxx>]

Neal,
The over center spring brings additional pressure to help you depress the pedal when using a three finger clutch, you do remove it when using a Centerforce diaphragm style clutch. Using a Borg and Beck style aftermarket clutch with increased holding pressure puts additional stress on the complete linkage, I tore a hole in my fire wall in a 64 Savoy before going to the diaphragm style. I cut the over center spring out and no problems. I had lots of calls to Wayne before I figured this all out.

John Althaus
64 Savoy 4spd Hemi


-----Original Message-----
From: neal zimmerman <neal.zimmerman@xxxxxxxxx>
To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 4:49 pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: 4 speed firewall reinforcements




WHEN I TALKEd to brewers a few weeks ago about ordering an over center
spring for my pedal  assembly,( the spring was missing when i bought
the pedals)  , wayne brewer told me with a centeforce  clutch i
wouldnt need it.    I didnt pursue it any further, i took his word for
it and  didnt order it. dont quite understand why  though.
   neal zimmerman, eugene oregon

On 2/8/09, MO ( Steve Mick) <micher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  I am thinking of using the Centerforce clutch.  Not having any experience
> with them, are they about the same as stock in depressing the clutch pedal (
> resistance)?  Why do they say to disconnect the over center spring? To keep
> the pedal from sticking down under high RPM shifts like the old diaphram
> clutches did??...........................MO................SW IOWA
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Don Gallimore
> Date: 2/8/2009 12:03:13 PM
> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: 4 speed firewall reinforcements
>
> In my '65 Belvedere using a Centerforce Dual Friction Clutch, there was
> No difference in the firewall versus an automatic nor did I go to any
> Trouble reinforcing anything. Shifts including pedal to the wall power
> Shifts were problem free.
>
> The only thing I would say was reinforced was that the ball on the
> Fender well side was on a stamped triangular plate held to the body by
> Three bolts. The holes or dimples may be there on the body. The edge of
> The plate was rolled for stiffness, I assume. Plate was about 3" on a
> Side. This is the factory set-up. Check with Brewers if you don't have it.
>
> Akron Don
>
> Neal Zimmerman wrote:
>> Hi guys , been a while , been working a lot on my "off topic" 67 cuda
>> so have been avoiding you. Although I have made some progress on the
>> 62 dart as well.
>> Anyhoo, this could apply to any Mopar 4 speed conversion , so just
>> use your imagination.
>> I am converting the 67 cuda over to a new stout small block and a
>> 4 speed with a Centerforce clutch, so reinforcements are in order I
>> hear.
>> T
he Z-Bar I have totally reinforced with gussets on both arms , so
>> that's gonna be sufficient and also on the fenderwell where the outer
>> ball stud mounts ( as I hear they like to crack or tear out there).
>> I have also reinforced the pedal assembly to take care of any
>> flexion in the assembly there- but I still hear that the firewall can
>> give u problems. How can u reinforce this area??
>> I am afraid I f I put a plate on the passenger compartment side of
>> the firewall it will throw out the mounting points of the pedal
>> assembly. I could also go on the engine side I guess but will that
>> throw any thing out.
>> I did see a plate on ebay that the guy claimed was a factory
>> original reinforcemnt for factory 4 speed cars , but I cant figure
>> out where the things supposed to go.
>> Help!!
>> Neal Zimmerman, Eugene Oregon
>>
>>
>
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