Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
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Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
- From: William Harrison <bbjt3@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 06:44:07 -0800 (PST)
Herb
You are a man after my heart.
I was born in 1944 and lived the era that is being discussed, so I do know what I a talking about.
Senility hasn't hit me yet so my mind is still clear and I still like to go fast.
You won't find me in the slow lane unless I have one of my grand children riding along.
Here is an explanation that I hope every one understands.
The old time racers had to be secretive about their mixtures because using moth balls was illegal because it "did" give those racers an advantage.
The guys that got caught dropped the balls straight into the tank and all the inspectors had to do was rock the car and they heard the balls rolling around.
The secret was to mix off site and bring the gas in on the tow vehicle because they never got inspected.
Luckily I purchased the real lead additive when unleaded was introduced and have enough to last my 65 for my life time.
What my kids do with it won't matter much when I'm gone.
Later
Bill Harrison
65 Coronet 2 dr post
--- On Tue, 1/26/10, Tom Watters <tomwatters@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: Tom Watters <tomwatters@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 7:59 PM
> With the full process layed
> out, It seems like a lot of trouble. For the
> time to do 5 gallons of gas, filtering, etc, you could just
> boost with a few gallons of 100 octane or higher fuel.
>
> --Tom
>
>
> Herb wrote:
> > The guys that I know that used mothballs and swore by
> them had a five gallon
> > gas can that they did their secrete mixing in and then
> poured the concoction
> > through a paint filter in a funnel stuffed with cheese
> cloth directly into
> > their tank, and then filled it with Sunoco 260.
> They also had two inline
> > filters on their cars. Don't recall that they
> had any fuel problems, or any
> > that they would talk about. If I remember
> correctly I read that mothballs
> > mixed with gasoline added an extra oxygen molecule to
> the mixture, so it
> > makes sense that it would make more HP somewhat like a
> crude precursor to
> > the nitros set-ups of today. We also had a guy
> that swore the purple dye
> > that Martin Gas Co. put in their ethyl was his secrete
> performance enhancer.
> > That said I also remember one guy
> bragging that he ran jet fuel mixed with
> > his gas. The problem with that is jet fuel is
> just diesel fuel run through
> > another refining process. And regular gasoline
> is two or three more steps
> > above that. Now if he was bragging that he used
> the high octane Aviation
> > Gas like I ran then he might have something to brag
> about. I used to keep
> > my mouth shut and used their bragging as leverage to
> spot me a couple of
> > cars or more just to make the race even.
> (-; Just my two C!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Herb
> >
> > 1956 Plymouth Belvedere 361
> >
> > 1959 Coronet 326 Poly
> >
> > 1963 Fury 2D/HT 6.1
> >
> > 1963 Sport Fury Convertible 361
> >
> > 1970 Challenger RT 440 - 4 Sale
> >
> > 1999 Durango SLT 5.9
> >
> > 2008 SRT-8 Magnum 6.1
> >
> > St. Louis, MO.
> >
> >
> > http://1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/mmo42009.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Doug Jacobsma
> >
> > Date: 1/26/2010 3:54:46 PM
> >
> > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
> >
> >
> >
> > I haven't tried it either. What I've been told
> is it will leave enough to
> > eventually gunk up your fuel filter. Atleast
> thats what the Harley guys
> > have found.
> >
> >
> > Jake
> >
> > '63 Sport Fury 'vert
> >
> > '04 Harley FXDWG
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >
> >
> >> From: tomwatters@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >
> >
> >> Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
> >>
> >
> >
> >> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:59:00 -0700
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >> What kind of residue does it leave. Would it
> buildup in your tank and
> >>
> >
> >
> >> fuel lines?
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >> Not that I plan on trying it, but am curious about
> the adverse effect to
> >>
> >
> >
> >> car's. Seems pretty toxic to people.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >> --Tom
> >>
> >
> >
> >> Ollie wrote:
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> Very Interesting,
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> Ollie
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven
> Charette"
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:22 AM
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>> Jake,
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> Excellent information, thanks!
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> SC
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> From: Doug Jacobsma [mailto:big_jake57@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:56 AM
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>> The subject of moth balls in gas has come up
> on a Harley board I
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> frequent,
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> as we are always looking for better gas with
> those too. Seems there is a
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> chemical ingredient in moth balls that will
> enhance octane some, it was
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> indeed used by old time racers, but those who
> have tried it have found it
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> leaves a bit of residue behind, plus it has
> some other unwanted
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> characteristics.
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> I've had pretty good luck with Lucas additive
> and a couple others that
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> list
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> jet fuel as the carrier. Says it's good as an
> upper lube also.
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> Anyway, here's what we came up with as far as
> moth balls go:
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> JUST SO YA KNOW !
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> There are two different types of moth balls -
> The older type is
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> composted of
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> Naphthalene and the newer type is composted of
> Paradichlorobenzene.
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> Both types sublimate from a solid straight to
> a a gas- the gas is
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> toxic to
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> moths.
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> The main threat is breathing the fumes, also
> may have camphor added as a
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> insect repellent. They also used to clean the
> pipes on wood burning
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> stoves.
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> Dangers are:
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> Inhaling concentrated fumes
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> ingesting or eating them - HIGHLY TOXIC!
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> Solvent abuse by kids
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> Carcinogen
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> Forms a bond with soil that will kill
> beneficial soil insects.
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> It has been proven plausible that adding moth
> balls to a fuel tank will
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> improve HP.
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>> Listed by the EPA and other Government sources
> as a pesticide
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> 7.5 million lbs. used as pest control yearly
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> 369 million lbs. used by the Dept. of Defense
> yearly
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> 1.84 billion lbs. used by US jet market
> yearly
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> Toxic level 2 - for inhaling
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> Toxic level 3 - for contact to skin and eyes
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> Inhalation causes dizziness - vomiting -
> nausea - headaches -
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> shortness of
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> breath - coughing - burning eyes
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> Naphthalene can also kill red blood cells
> causing hemolytic anemia and is
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> also linked to nasal cancer.
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> Moth
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> crystals are made from Paradichlorobenzene
> (PDB) which is more toxic than
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> Naphthalene. Prolonged exposure on plastics
> may melt them.
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> PDB is a suspected carcinogen causing cancer.
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> Repeated inhalation can be fatal - especially
> for children,elderly
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> people,pets, and indirectly for fetuses.
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> TO SUM IT UP Paradichlorobenzene:
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> Possible effects: vapor irritates skin,eyes
> and respiratory tract,large
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> doses can cause injury to liver,suspected
> carcinogen.
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> Naphthalene
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> damages liver,prolonged vapor exposure has led
> to cataract formation.
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>> Think I'll stick to the stuff in a bottle!
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>> Jake
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> '63 Sport Fury 'vert
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>>> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >>>> From: bbjt3@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >>>> Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild status and how
> much compression we can run on
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >>>> pump gas w
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >>>> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 03:17:39 -0800
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>>> I remember when I was a kid that my dad
> used to add moth balls to his
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >>> gasoline for his circle track racer in the
> 40's and 50's.
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>>> I don't know what the ratio was but he won
> a lot of races.
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >>>> Later
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >>>> Bill Harrison
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>>
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