From: Gary Pavlovich <glpavlovich@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 8:30 PM
Interesting discussion on moth balls and octane.
I hardly trust our current fuel mix let alone a witch's
brew, but I think I
just repeated myself. Anyhow I have come
across/investigated the following
two octane boosters that show merit; a significant real
octane boost for
minimal cost p/gal outlay.
The two boosters are MachTane and Kemco Octane Supreme
130. I ordered one
qt. of the MachTane and a case of the Kemco 130.
Additionally, if either
product shows merit I may be buying regular to large
quantities.
Anyhow, the information is out there now and if anyone else
gives it a test
let me know your results and we can compare notes.
I would suspect that our 91 pump unleaded swamp-water in CA
is good for 9.5
to near 10 to 1 compression MAX depending a great deal on
internal engine
factors where the 10 to 1 ratio is concerned.
However, I am extremely
encouraged that a true 10 to 1 compression engine can be
run economically
with either of these boosters; testing to follow. If
I am correct in my
pre-assessment, the cost basis would be approx. a $1 p/gal.
increase in fuel
cost to run a 10 to 1 motor.
I will keep you posted.
Gary Pavlovich
----- Original Message -----
From: "Herb" <zephyr9900@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:50 PM
Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
The guys that I know that used mothballs and swore by them
had a five gallon
gas can that they did their secrete mixing in and then
poured the concoction
through a paint filter in a funnel stuffed with cheese
cloth directly into
their tank, and then filled it with Sunoco 260. They
also had two inline
filters on their cars. Don't recall that they had any
fuel problems, or any
that they would talk about. If I remember correctly I
read that mothballs
mixed with gasoline added an extra oxygen molecule to the
mixture, so it
makes sense that it would make more HP somewhat like a
crude precursor to
the nitros set-ups of today. We also had a guy that
swore the purple dye
that Martin Gas Co. put in their ethyl was his secrete
performance enhancer.
That said I also remember one guy bragging that he
ran jet fuel mixed with
his gas. The problem with that is jet fuel is just
diesel fuel run through
another refining process. And regular gasoline is two
or three more steps
above that. Now if he was bragging that he used the
high octane Aviation
Gas like I ran then he might have something to brag
about. I used to keep
my mouth shut and used their bragging as leverage to spot
me a couple of
cars or more just to make the race even. (-;
Just my two C!!
Herb
1956 Plymouth Belvedere 361
1959 Coronet 326 Poly
1963 Fury 2D/HT 6.1
1963 Sport Fury Convertible 361
1970 Challenger RT 440 - 4 Sale
1999 Durango SLT 5.9
2008 SRT-8 Magnum 6.1
St. Louis, MO.
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-------Original Message-------
From: Doug Jacobsma
Date: 1/26/2010 3:54:46 PM
To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
I haven't tried it either. What I've been told is it
will leave enough to
eventually gunk up your fuel filter. Atleast thats
what the Harley guys
have found.
Jake
'63 Sport Fury 'vert
'04 Harley FXDWG
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> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> From: tomwatters@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:59:00 -0700
>
> What kind of residue does it leave. Would it buildup
in your tank and
> fuel lines?
>
> Not that I plan on trying it, but am curious about the
adverse effect to
> car's. Seems pretty toxic to people.
>
> --Tom
> Ollie wrote:
>>
>> Very Interesting,
>> Thanks
>> Ollie
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven
Charette"
>>
>> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:22 AM
>> Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
>>
>>
>>
>> Jake,
>> Excellent information, thanks!
>>
>> SC
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Doug Jacobsma [mailto:big_jake57@xxxxxxxxxxx]
>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:56 AM
>> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
>>
>>
>>
>> The subject of moth balls in gas has come up on a
Harley board I
>> frequent,
>> as we are always looking for better gas with those
too. Seems there is a
>> chemical ingredient in moth balls that will
enhance octane some, it was
>> indeed used by old time racers, but those who have
tried it have found it
>> leaves a bit of residue behind, plus it has some
other unwanted
>> characteristics.
>> I've had pretty good luck with Lucas additive and
a couple others that
>> list
>> jet fuel as the carrier. Says it's good as an
upper lube also.
>> Anyway, here's what we came up with as far as moth
balls go:
>>
>> JUST SO YA KNOW !
>>
>> There are two different types of moth balls - The
older type is
>> composted of
>> Naphthalene and the newer type is composted of
Paradichlorobenzene.
>>
>> Both types sublimate from a solid straight to a a
gas- the gas is
>> toxic to
>> moths.
>>
>> The main threat is breathing the fumes, also may
have camphor added as a
>> insect repellent. They also used to clean the
pipes on wood burning
>> stoves.
>>
>> Dangers are:
>>
>> Inhaling concentrated fumes
>>
>> ingesting or eating them - HIGHLY TOXIC!
>>
>> Solvent abuse by kids
>>
>> Carcinogen
>>
>> Forms a bond with soil that will kill beneficial
soil insects.
>>
>> It has been proven plausible that adding moth
balls to a fuel tank will
>> improve HP.
>>
>>
>> Listed by the EPA and other Government sources as
a pesticide
>>
>> 7.5 million lbs. used as pest control yearly
>>
>> 369 million lbs. used by the Dept. of Defense
yearly
>>
>> 1.84 billion lbs. used by US jet market yearly
>>
>> Toxic level 2 - for inhaling
>>
>> Toxic level 3 - for contact to skin and eyes
>>
>> Inhalation causes dizziness - vomiting - nausea -
headaches -
>> shortness of
>> breath - coughing - burning eyes
>>
>> Naphthalene can also kill red blood cells causing
hemolytic anemia and is
>> also linked to nasal cancer.
>>
>> Moth
>> crystals are made from Paradichlorobenzene (PDB)
which is more toxic than
>> Naphthalene. Prolonged exposure on plastics may
melt them.
>>
>> PDB is a suspected carcinogen causing cancer.
>>
>> Repeated inhalation can be fatal - especially for
children,elderly
>> people,pets, and indirectly for fetuses.
>>
>> TO SUM IT UP Paradichlorobenzene:
>>
>> Possible effects: vapor irritates skin,eyes and
respiratory tract,large
>> doses can cause injury to liver,suspected
carcinogen.
>>
>> Naphthalene
>>
>> damages liver,prolonged vapor exposure has led to
cataract formation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Think I'll stick to the stuff in a bottle!
>>
>> Jake
>> '63 Sport Fury 'vert
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
>>> From: bbjt3@xxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild status and how much
compression we can run on
>>> pump gas w
>>> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 03:17:39 -0800
>>>
>>> I remember when I was a kid that my dad used
to add moth balls to his
>> gasoline for his circle track racer in the 40's
and 50's.
>>> I don't know what the ratio was but he won a
lot of races.
>>> Later
>>> Bill Harrison
>>>
>>>
>>
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