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Posted 2016-12-16 5:18 PM (#528905 - in reply to #528612)
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Chrysler went unibody in 61

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Posted 2016-12-16 7:53 PM (#528919 - in reply to #528866)
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miquelonbrad - 2016-12-16 9:23 AM

I'm going to throw a small wrench into the discussion...I am re-bodying a '57 Chrysler, after determining that I'd have to replace roughly 70% of the sheet metal in the structure. But.......the body I am using is U.S. built, and my car was built in Canada. There is some small differences in the stampings. I won't be hiding this fact after the "build", as I am documenting every step. What's your opinions on this? Since the bodies didn't come off the same lines, in the same country, would it still be considered a restoration, or will it be a further "b*stardization" of our already "hybrid" Canadian FL cars? (Doc, please step in on this one) ;)

Let me throw this "thought" in the mix. When you restore your 69 camaro, or 65 mustang or 70 cuda with "quality restoration parts" (direct from china or taiwann) does that make your car a import? Or that brand new ram truck you just bought and your insurance company figures "quality replacement parts" (aftermarket junk) dies that make that new ram truck a import? Its no different wether you use a very nice donor (which i would) or a piece of flat sheet metal from tractor supply. I really think some people really over analize the whole deal. Fix the car drive it

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Posted 2016-12-16 7:55 PM (#528920 - in reply to #528905)
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mikes2nd - 2016-12-16 5:18 PM

Chrysler went unibody in 61

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Posted 2016-12-16 7:58 PM (#528922 - in reply to #528920)
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mikes2nd - 2016-12-16 5:18 PM

Chrysler went unibody in 61

Yep
Chrysler moves to Unibody (unit-body construction): 1960

http://www.allpar.com/fix/body/unit-body.html

In 1960, most Chrysler Corporation cars moved from body-on-frame construction to a unit-body design; the rest, other than Imperial (1967), moved in 1961.

The move was unprecedented in scale: no company of Chrysler’s immense size had done this before, certainly not with all of its high-volume cars at once.

The move was also surprisingly uneventful. While simply changing body styling had resulted in a disaster for the 1957 cars, and changes to the Valiant (renamed Volare) brought about a similar disaster in reliability for 1976, the much more dramatic change to Unibody seemed like a quality non-event.

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Posted 2016-12-16 8:01 PM (#528923 - in reply to #528897)
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60-64 chrysler is the same exsept 62 chry have the shortet topassy like 60-61dodge and piymouth 60-61 is same as 63-64 exsept for the smal wood pease they have mounted
on the rear part of topassy

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Posted 2016-12-16 11:29 PM (#528929 - in reply to #528904)
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oldwood - 2016-12-16 5:18 PM

I see that my question wasn't relevant to this thread. Does anyone have a complete emblem to re-pop to help others that need this part???

Check out this thread. It says that Gary Goers had repros, and also someone in Sweden. http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=34795&...

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Posted 2016-12-17 12:50 AM (#528935 - in reply to #528866)
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miquelonbrad - 2016-12-17 6:23 AM

I'm going to throw a small wrench into the discussion...I am re-bodying a '57 Chrysler, after determining that I'd have to replace roughly 70% of the sheet metal in the structure. But.......the body I am using is U.S. built, and my car was built in Canada. There is some small differences in the stampings. I won't be hiding this fact after the "build", as I am documenting every step. What's your opinions on this? Since the bodies didn't come off the same lines, in the same country, would it still be considered a restoration, or will it be a further "b*stardization" of our already "hybrid" Canadian FL cars? (Doc, please step in on this one) ;)

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Brad,

A large factor of whether a car gets scrutiny for being a fraud is
the value factor. Few would give a darn if I modify my Plaza sedan,
as it is worth nowhere near the cost of restoration, no matter what
I might do to it.

A second generation convertible (some more than others) are
worth a lot of money and will be scrutinized for authenticity when
so much money is involved.

Another factor is historical preservation, cost be dammed. Some
people really care about this, others could not care less. Your Canadian
car is going to have weird little quirks that make a Canadian car different.
Is this important to YOU ? Is it important to YOU as a matter of how
you will enjoy the car .... showing it is AS a Canadian car and taking
pride in showing all interested parties the details that you made sure
were restored into the rebuild process ?

I don't like what car companies did in selling different cars to different
markets. That is just me. But a lot of guys from those export markets
specifically like, and take a lot of nostalgic pride in them. This throws
me out of the running for support of preserving an export special car.
But to be objective, I would ask myself if restoring it faithfully as an
export car would hurt or help any market value/desirability, or if it would
matter at all to future buyers, should you need to sell.

I have a Model T truck. Model T's are generally nothing but bast*rdized
parts piles known as "bitsa's" (bits of this, bits of that) and it is pretty
much accepted as OK within the community that they were accessorized
with aftermarket goodies since day one. I tend to fall into this undefined
area of what is right and what is wrong when it comes to cars that aren't
so dammed valuable. I am less torn and able to just go with "It's your car,
do what you want with it".

Clear as mud, eh ?

If I did not answer your question, ask it again.

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Posted 2016-12-17 1:25 AM (#528936 - in reply to #528897)
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matt - 2016-12-16 2:54 PM

A question. Has the 63-64 Chrysler convertible the same front window and conv frame like other Mopar conv. Fr.o.m. 57-61 ore?

The 1957-1959 body was different from the 1960-1964 body and no glass interchanges between the two.

The 1963-1964 Chrysler convertible used 1869 627 (clear) and 1954 216 (tint). This windshield was used on all 1960 Plymouth, Dodge, DeSoto and Chrysler models.

In 1961 that windshield was used on Plymouth, Dodge and Chrysler convertibles. From 1962 through 1964 it was used on Dodge 880 and Chrysler convertibles.

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Posted 2016-12-17 10:05 AM (#528955 - in reply to #528612)
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If you lay a 57-59 vent window assembley on top of a 60-64 c body vent window you will see that the later windshields are angled back about 5 degrees more than the earlier ones.

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Posted 2016-12-17 10:36 AM (#528958 - in reply to #528904)
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he did not keep any promisses now he told me he sold to somebody else i was the buyer but he never delivered the car as he promised to do i am not even shure he have the car or if hi found this pictures on the web and now he try to offer me a superbird hemicar and some other musslecars so watch out
Jan Fridberg

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Posted 2016-12-17 10:45 AM (#528959 - in reply to #528612)
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scam alert...

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Posted 2016-12-17 11:19 AM (#528965 - in reply to #528958)
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d500dodge59 - 2016-12-17 3:36 PM

he did not keep any promisses now he told me he sold to somebody else i was the buyer but he never delivered the car as he promised to do i am not even shure he have the car or if hi found this pictures on the web and now he try to offer me a superbird hemicar and some other musslecars so watch out
Jan Fridberg

Sounds familiar, As he PMed me the price he had been offered, I then asked when he would have the car home and more info/PICs available and he ignored me, but then send me a Christmas Finger Light via PM to pass on. So he had definitely saw my message to him to reply. WTF..

Clive

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Posted 2016-12-17 11:23 AM (#528966 - in reply to #528959)
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mikes2nd - 2016-12-17 3:45 PM

scam alert...

Yeah he does change his Facebook Cover Picture once a week with different cars,, So does make ya wonder if he is a dreamer and finds the Pictures on Google to make people believe he is some kind of hotshot..

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Posted 2016-12-17 11:58 AM (#528970 - in reply to #528612)
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So this is not real??? Or at one time it was

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Posted 2016-12-17 12:02 PM (#528971 - in reply to #528970)
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w.weiland - 2016-12-17 4:58 PM

So this is not real??? Or at one time it was

The PICs are real, as to how old is the question, The Alleged Buyer who originally posted about it on facebook seems to becoming distant with updates, So whether he did just purchase it OR found the PICs on the web and fabricated the story is the Question..

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Posted 2016-12-17 12:14 PM (#528972 - in reply to #528612)
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The guy who posted he had just bought it and was pulling it out of the yard shortly was adamant it was a 1957, even after several people posted it was a 1959.. His reply was " When it gets pulled from the dirt or i see the title" i will believe it..
Would of thought as he runs a Classic restoration shop himself he would know what it was, or at least except numerous people telling him the correct year.. The more you look into the details and conduct of the Guy, the less i am believing he actually has it..
Hopefully no one sends him payment without turning up to collect ..

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Posted 2016-12-17 12:32 PM (#528974 - in reply to #528612)
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Hmmmm. Quite interesting.

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Posted 2016-12-17 4:03 PM (#528983 - in reply to #528612)
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Well I sent him a couple messages. He only said the car was gone. After that, he avoided all questions about the car.
I asked him about the snow in MI, and he answered "a lot of snow". That is all I got out of him.
But he did say that he had a 59 DeSoto Firedome. (Yeah, right).

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Posted 2016-12-17 6:14 PM (#528991 - in reply to #528983)
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yes he sent me pictures of a pink 59 firedome coupe partscar and want serius offer on it he say it had a lot of potential
i am pritty shure he dont have had the 59 dodge think he must have found pictures on web i talk with magnus and he have in his mind that he have seen this pictures before first thougth that came up he say could be "cars in barns"

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Posted 2016-12-17 7:05 PM (#528994 - in reply to #528612)
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Look in cars being parted under 59 desoto 2 door under my user name see if its the same car
http://forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=60308&post...

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Posted 2016-12-17 10:34 PM (#529002 - in reply to #528612)
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I certainly remember when nobody in their right mind would have even considered buying a car in that condition - it could even have been a 300E or an Adventurer - no, thanks. Now this heap o' Dodge is the object of a scam! Wonders never cease.

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Posted 2016-12-17 11:29 PM (#529007 - in reply to #529002)
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The seller of this car sent me another picture. Who are our people in Michigan ? How many inches of snow do you have?
Does it match up with this picture?

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Posted 2016-12-18 12:43 AM (#529012 - in reply to #528612)
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that looks right.

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Posted 2016-12-18 1:15 AM (#529013 - in reply to #529002)
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Lancer Mike - 2016-12-18 7:34 PM

I certainly remember when nobody in their right mind would have even considered buying a car in that condition - it could even have been a 300E or an Adventurer - no, thanks. Now this heap o' Dodge is the object of a scam! Wonders never cease. :wince:

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Mikey,

If you follow along on the thread out of Jan Fridberg's shop, you can
get a general understanding of the concept that "It's just sheetmetal".

I remember when all this was incredibly intimidating and so seeming
beyond my grasp. Then I met that guy I told the story of above, and
after a few tips of the bottle and a lot of explanation and demonstration,
I figured I should at least give it a try. It's like anything else ... wanna
learn to play the saxophone, you're gonna have to practice. Wanna get
really good ? Practice a lot ! But after a while, it becomes second nature
and you can look/listen to anything and just make it sing. Same thing
with a hulk like this. Break it down far enough, and it is a simple process
.... like eating an elephant, .... you do it with small bites until it's done.

I started with far less of my Adventurer, and my Fireflite, while prettier
from not being left in the woods for decades, was still probably not much
better, when it came to chopping out savable pieces and building it back
with new metal.

Honestly, I find it hard to believe so many U.S. car guys still cringe at
a car like this. It really isn't as impossible as people lead themselves to
think it is. With a good welder, plasma cutter, work tables, clamps, brakes,
and such, you can make metal do just about anything. All it takes is patience
and a willingness to learn.

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Posted 2016-12-18 9:36 AM (#529029 - in reply to #528612)
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That picture certainly looks like the current condition in South East Michigan .

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Posted 2016-12-18 12:38 PM (#529040 - in reply to #528612)
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"Seller" of the Dodge was obviously a liar who fished for cash.
He is on Facebook under the name Bill Fick, Sterling Heights, MI.
https://www.facebook.com/bill.fick.77

The photos appear to be authentic so the big question now is, who is the real owner?

We need the help of all the enthusiasts on this side to make the necessary detective work.

Where are the Dodge?

Fridberg would like to buy the car and restore it!

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Posted 2016-12-18 12:47 PM (#529041 - in reply to #529040)
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You can try contacting this guy: Terry Krug Magnatta, since he posted a photo of the car on Fick's facebook page.

Ron

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Posted 2016-12-18 1:03 PM (#529043 - in reply to #529041)
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The only page that include matching images is this FL forum when I made a "reverse image search" by Google, so the guy who posted pics has not found them from the random pages.

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Posted 2016-12-18 1:25 PM (#529044 - in reply to #528612)
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More about the Dodge here:

https://www.facebook.com/AbandonedandNeglectedCarsNORULES/photos/a.1310081689052426.1073741840.693029987424269/1310081729052422/?type=3&theater

Thanks Ron!

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Posted 2016-12-18 1:32 PM (#529046 - in reply to #528612)
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I dunno looks like those took pics of it. Can't say its fake. I wouldn't buy I sight unseen though. Does it have a title?

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Posted 2016-12-18 1:57 PM (#529048 - in reply to #529046)
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no title with the car

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Posted 2016-12-18 2:42 PM (#529054 - in reply to #529044)
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Chrys 68 - 2016-12-18 6:25 PM

More about the Dodge here:

https://www.facebook.com/AbandonedandNeglectedCarsNORULES/photos/a.1310081689052426.1073741840.693029987424269/1310081729052422/?type=3&theater

Thanks Ron!

I saw that Facebook Page earlier today, 14 Images of the dodge on there ... Will post them here so they are saved..

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Posted 2016-12-18 2:43 PM (#529055 - in reply to #529054)
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Posted 2016-12-18 3:25 PM (#529061 - in reply to #528612)
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Thanks Clive!

Now we need to find the right owner!

It would be a nice Christmas gift to bring this beauty home:)

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Posted 2016-12-18 8:24 PM (#529090 - in reply to #528612)
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Looks like it was a A/C car too

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Posted 2016-12-18 8:38 PM (#529094 - in reply to #528612)
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So this was a red and black, 1959 Dodge Custom Royal convertible D500, with Power steering, Power brakes, Power windows, Air Conditioning, rear antennas, etc.!... That's gotta be one of the top desirable FL car for most people!

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Posted 2016-12-19 1:49 AM (#529122 - in reply to #529061)
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I think they may be the owners of this car i talk to bill and say when he deliver the car down to Michael Burke in Quincy as we agreed on take the moulding on topheader of so you dont loos the corners at the road and the moulding is taken of on a picture so i belive they have beeing around the car . First he promised me the car for $10K delivered to michael next day someboudy had ofer him $12K and he say he had to go for the money but if i giv him 12 it was mine becaus i was first on the car and that was a promise to stop there. Next morning i got a mail say is michaer ready for me i leav now to get the car 7 hours later he called michael and say now the prise is $16K and ther it stop. i told him i need to be sure that the vin is readebl and not rusted away if so it want be a real car anymore then it just parts from a real D500 and i have not heard back from him.
JAN FRIDBERG

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Posted 2016-12-19 3:03 AM (#529129 - in reply to #528612)
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Personally I just wonder where the engine is. it's not installed (evidence of the pictures), but does it lay around at the yard?

Good luck for the new owner to the a very desirable car.

Happy Restoring!

Dieter

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Posted 2016-12-19 4:37 AM (#529130 - in reply to #529122)
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So I take it that you are not the buyer??? Keep us abreast if you become the owner. The seller is kinda shady jerking you around. I noticed the drivers side D-500 is missing the "500". I wonder if the passenger side is complete. Iff I could come up with the "500" I could re-pop some for those of us that have a D-500.

Edited by oldwood 2016-12-19 4:44 AM

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Posted 2016-12-19 9:41 AM (#529141 - in reply to #528612)
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I figured he had opened this up to an "auction" when people started calling and I doubt the engine is anywhere to be found but of course ask.

maybe vin and tag is missing?

probably the last 59 dodge convert out there in the wild...

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Posted 2016-12-19 10:25 AM (#529148 - in reply to #528612)
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Ron, how many cars do you have on your 59 Dodge convertible registry?

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Posted 2016-12-19 11:29 AM (#529157 - in reply to #529122)
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d500dodge59 - 2016-12-19 6:49 AM

I think they may be the owners of this car i talk to bill and say when he deliver the car down to Michael Burke in Quincy as we agreed on take the moulding on topheader of so you dont loos the corners at the road and the moulding is taken of on a picture so i belive they have beeing around the car . First he promised me the car for $10K delivered to michael next day someboudy had ofer him $12K and he say he had to go for the money but if i giv him 12 it was mine becaus i was first on the car and that was a promise to stop there. Next morning i got a mail say is michaer ready for me i leav now to get the car 7 hours later he called michael and say now the prise is $16K and ther it stop. i told him i need to be sure that the vin is readebl and not rusted away if so it want be a real car anymore then it just parts from a real D500 and i have not heard back from him.
JAN FRIDBERG

Hi Jan,,

I have been speaking on that Facebook page where all the PICs are posted https://www.facebook.com/pg/AbandonedandNeglectedCarsNORULES/photos/...

They have replied a couple times , as i asked if it was still for sale and they replied "we found it and sold it already...last week"

I then asked "Can you tell me who bought it and what country its going too, If not staying in the USA ... thanks"
and got a reply "he did not want to release that info to anyone he said..sorry i promised.."

So i guess we have to wait and see when it surfaces as am sure the news will get out and about..

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Posted 2016-12-19 11:41 AM (#529160 - in reply to #528612)
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The guy called me this morning and said it was going to Sweden. I asked about the passenger side emblem and he said he would call me back. He also sent 2 pics of a Desoto.

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Posted 2016-12-19 11:56 AM (#529163 - in reply to #529160)
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Try to figure outh the name of the byer say that you have tons of nos parts for it to offer the byer so we migth can figure outh who is play nasty in this

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Posted 2016-12-19 2:58 PM (#529193 - in reply to #529163)
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now i found out the buyer it is robert bönström from sweden

oldwood

Posted 2016-12-19 4:43 PM (#529202 - in reply to #528612)
Subject: Re: Another one found 1959 Dodge CRL convertible D500

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I know old Robert. I've sold him a few.

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Posted 2016-12-19 4:55 PM (#529207 - in reply to #528612)
Subject: Re: Another one found 1959 Dodge CRL convertible D500

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does it have a d500 emblem on the other side or holes where the other went? that would help prove a d500...

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Posted 2016-12-19 5:26 PM (#529211 - in reply to #529202)
Subject: Re: Another one found 1959 Dodge CRL convertible D500

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oldwood - 2016-12-19 9:43 PM

I know old Robert. I've sold him a few.

59 Dodge Cars or just parts Dorsey.. ??? Is he a member here ???

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