Re: IML: brakes... a tuchy subject.

[RandalPark@xxxxxxx]

If properly maintained Total Contact Center Plane Brakes will last for at least 20,000 miles before relining. That has been my experience with them, although I believe that when they first came out, the claim was that they would last for 50,000 miles. 

They need to be adjusted every time the car is serviced. Back when our cars were on the road, a brake adjustment was part of a lube and an oil change. That has not been true for over 25 years. 

I drive modern disk brake cars as my regular vehicles now, and to be frank, they need brake pads about as often as the Imperials needed to be relined. The nice part about it is that they are self adjusting. Imperials didn't have self adjusting brakes until they changed to a conventional style in 1963. My '63 Imperial stops about as well as my modern cars but I don't know how the two types would compare in a "panic stop". 

Paul

In an email dated Sun, 23 1 2005 3:47:21 am GMT, henry ford <fordsfairlane@xxxxxxxxx> writes:

>I dont want to be the fault of any fighting, but the reason for a brake upgrade wasn't just to stop better but to last longer,, the facts are common sence , all types of brakes have a few things in common ? ? ? ? ? #1 ?is they were designed for the ?specific vehicle they were made for " weight, performance and durability. ? ?#2 ?brakes are made out of various types of components depending on the technoligy at that time and total effective cost's of the vehicle , ? ? ?#3 ?all moving parts in a brake system must be serviced regularly, because as pads or shoes rub either rotors or drums you have wear on these parts. ? ? #4 ?the material of the shoes are designed to wear effectivly to maintain proper braking, if pads or shoes where made to last forever, no one would need to replace them, RIGHT? , so as pads and shoes wear onto the metal rotor or drum even at the slightest amount of presure all friction surfaces do wear,, maybe slowly but they do wear, ? ? ? ? ? ?I put about 6k to 10k
> miles on a car evry year. thats not as much as the trucks I used to drive for a living, closer to 75k to 100k a year but these trucks are comercial trucks they are serviced regularly as needed. point is ?MY PERSONAL VEHICLES ARE NOT! by any means a TRAILER QUEEN ., I buy them to drive them . whats the point in owning a car like the " IMPERIAL " if you don't drive it. we all dream of owning these awsome cars so other's can see them doing what they do best and that is struting there stuff on the bvld. right? 20 ft of chrome is the only way to strut.. ................................................................................................. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?now back to the brakes. ? ? ? ?#5 ?when metal wears out you have to replace it right ,, take a bearing for example a bearing is a wearable item as it is spun a great speeds with tons of force exerting against it ?it remains the same
> shap and size, "unless no lube to reduce the friction ", but bearings have a lube to extend there life , you dont lube the brake pads or drums on any car, so brakes are ?possibly the only parts on a car that build a great deal of friction and are ment to withstand tons of force , ? ? #6 ?friction is how all brakes stop, not the amount of force the caliper or wheel cylinder is putting out through the pads to stop a car,, friction is when the surface of the metal is rubbed by a steady amount but not to much pressure ,against the shoes. thus heat buildup is made and is what;s called friction that stops the car, when to much friction is applied or the drums they begin to overheat and when under that much force< the vehicles mass. ?they tend to blister or warp, which then will need turning to true them or they will need to be replaced, ? ? >ever wonder why some imperial hubcaps have the cooling slots in them ? ? they are for brake cooling ,, and primitive today , as chrysler has made
> improvements since then , not just because the gov or other auto makers ,but because they find new or better ways to improve thing's . chrysler was and still is a leader in my book in automotive technology. no other can argue with that! ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?I wanted an imperial way back when I was a kid , I went to a local fair , one night they were having a demo derby and I saw a 65 imperial that looked as if it just rolled of the dealers floor, minus trim and glass, but the car had shinny paint, ?the bumpers and grill was like new,, ?sad part was as I watched the car get banged up . it was the feature winner, shortly after that day I heard that someone bought the car to restore it. ? ? years latter I was ?kid with a new license and in need of some $gas$ ?so I helped a
> farmer load straw into a barn thats when I saw a car like no other,, dumbfounded as I was because I didn't even know what kind of bread she was at the time , but after we stacked all the straw we took a break, and we talked about the car and other thing's ,. what one would do with a car like that? , at the time the farmer didn't want to sell. ? ? ? ? ? But when recent cigarette sales droped farmers lost a major crop, and low and behold the farmer was willing to part with her,,, and now she's mine.....and im going to fix her up , i like big cars mainly because im a big guy, I have trouble getting into little cars as my legs get all bent up then they go to sleep on me ,,, just a nightmare, I want a car I can move around in, ?a little elbo room ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?I have a clean driving record class A cdl with a hazmat , and after driving open roads day and night rain or snow, Even at hurrican winds,, ?and pulling a 53 ft trailer at about 40 tons of cargo one
> drives very well. Todays big trucks stop quickly compared to 20 yrs ago, and more safely , and can do it more often without havein to make repairs or anything.. automatic adjusting brakes.. are the greatest thing since sliced bread, although big trucks use air brakes and not hydrolic ? ,, now drums on big trucks are so thick , so they can be used much longer and are made out of better metals for better cooling, ,,,, take that technology and apply it to imperials , some one ?can produce identical drums as lets say a 59 and use modern metals and cooling design's to build a stock looking replacement drum and shoes. then disk upgrades would never cross anyone's minds.. ? ? excuse my typing as Im not good with a keyboard just yet. ? ? ? ? ? ? I love my imperial .. I have made an attempt to restore a ford ?not to long ago hence my nick name. that was a total loss,, I spent $ 4,000 on frame and suspension, to only have a vandal destroy the body of the car,, it hurt me deeply, so much I
> sold it for a few bucks , because i could'nt look at it without getting ticked off, ?This time I have learned my lesson , and I have a security system on my garage now.. and I learned a lesson when before I was restoring that old ford that parts are very hard to find or good quality parts , ? ? ? ? ? I like detail so much I am spending the next two weeks inspecting every nut and bolt ( sq inch ) of the car just cleaning , looking for broken or missing parts,, when the parts I have orderd arive I will begin to pull the engine ( that hasn't been turned over since the guy parked the car in the barn) and take it apart ,,pictures of the process and notes on the engine taredown and rebuild, will then be posted online ,,,, the block and heads will be sent to a machine shop for cleaning and inspection, I will be helping at the machine shop, the shop owner and I have worked out something on the labor so I will be overlooking ?the work on the 413 . and I will reassemble the engine useing new
> lifters ,bearings ,gaskets ,and rings. the heads will get new valves, guides ,seals and new springs and retainers,. after assembly I will replace fuel pump or possibly a fuel injection . also parts to replace are ?, water pump, belts, hoses, and some bolts , I could go on and on with a list but you will get that list later, including all part #'s, but while the engine is being cleaned and such at the machine shop.. I will also send the transmission to a shop, for a rebuild,> cleaning and all seals and wearable parts and gaskets will be replaced,, ?Once ?the engine and trans is out of the car, the body and frame will be seperated and I know a juckyard that will bead blast the frame , ?then get a powder coat on it ( black) , and some other friends will help me ?go over the body and repair any rust, floor pans and body suppot brackets are to be expected Back about 15 or 20 years ago most back roads around where I found the imperial was gravel and some dirt roads. everyone know's lime,
> loose gravel and red clay dirt can get into anything and over a period of time if not cleaned proper will cause rust, ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? With all that work that will start in the next few weeks and I may not have the time to check in on things at IML, I just wanted to say what I can for now,,, ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? hopefully most work will be going on at the same time but at various shops near my home, the car could be ready to run in 4 mo or so. after that then I will do glass and chrome , interior, and all trim work, .. but as each area of the car gets done I will try to show what was done and how things were done to get the end results,, and hopfully she will be ready for a few car show's this late summer or fall.... thanks to all...> real name is ?Darrell
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