Re: IML: Imperial exhaust, and sorted other topics from my experience over the years

[JosephStil@xxxxxxx]

Our car has dual exhaust.  Whether or not it is "standard" is anyone's guess.  There are a lot things, I am finding out, that are not "standard," on our car - but that's a tale for another day.  The exhaust on our '61 has been modified to include glass packs.  Well, I guess I shouldn't say, "include."  What I should say is, the mufflers/resonators have been "replaced" by glass packs.  Talk about a rumble?  Not the sound I am lookin' for in a sweet lady like this car....they'll be replaced as soon as I get some other work done and find some more cash laying around...

Joe

In a message dated 2/4/2005 10:01:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, RandalPark@xxxxxxx writes:

>1960 (and I believe '61) came standard with dual exhaust. The way it is made, it is not an easy job to replace. It seems that the later cars ('62 on) didn't have the pipes snaking under and through as many things, in addition to having less to deal with because of the single exhaust
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>Paul
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>In an email dated Sat, 5 2 2005 2:48:26 am GMT, "Wm. R. Ulman" <twolaneblacktop@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
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>>Ok, so all my knowledge is through osmosis, but I thought the resonators on
>>Imperials, at least on the '60 vert I had, were in the front, just behind
>>the engine, then pipes running back and through a small oval thing then
>>spread out to the back of each side of the car to the mufflers, then the
>>outer pipes. ?I had dual exhaust put on my '63 Custom when I bought it.
>>Great shop, Bob's Custom Exhaust Specialists. ?They explained the process,
>>and the difficulty with getting two pipes through the oval thing in the
>>center of the car, I think it was actually either part of the frame, or was
>>there for the single line when new. ?They were able to do a bit of magic,
>>and get two pipes through, I think they were 2 inch pipes, but that was 11
>>years ago, so I'm not sure. ?The '63 Custom was a Southampton too, and they
>>had to put a slight crimp in to get it through the oval, so it was different
>>than the '60 vert I took to them years later for an entire exhaust system
>>from manifolds back. ?I remember I had to buy I think the right, or maybe
>>left exhaust manifold, because the one on the car was cracked. ?Jeff Carter
>>had one, and said I was lucky, as the side I bought was harder to get than
>>the other, anyway, I bought it, and had the dual system put on, which came
>>standard (?) on the '60, at least mine had it from the factory, it may have
>>been an option, I just don't know. ?Point is Bob's shop asked me if I wanted
>>the front resonators, and said they could get the original ones, either NOS,
>>or reproductions from some place in Minnesota, and at quite a chunk of
>>change. ?As the car had no exhaust at all on it, when Bob showed me the
>>muffler they would be using, he said it was much smaller than the original
>>equipment ones, and that the original style was not even produced anymore,
>>so these were the best I could do. ?When I asked what the difference would
>>be with, or without the resonators, he said the resonators would quiet down
>>the car to near silent, like from the factory, and the mufflers he sold me
>>would be just fine in their functionality. ?I asked what I would get without
>>the resonators, and he just smiled and said I would get a nice quiet "bum,
>>bum, bum" tone at rest, and a nice low tone faster sounding "bum, bum, bum"
>>as I took off. ?He assured me it would be less restrictive, and if I liked
>>my '63's sound, I would like this just as well, even though it was a vert,
>>so more prone to audible elements as opposed to a hardtop.
>>
>>As I had already dumped $8K into the car already, and not even gotten to
>>drive it yet, well, except from the interior shop to my mechanics in
>>traffic, with no brakes, seriously, no brakes, nothing, no brake parts at
>>all. ?I drove the car the 5 plus miles going about 5-10 miles an hour, and
>>using the well worn parking brake as my stopping tool, pretty scary, and I
>>would not recommend it to anyone, I barely missed rear ending several cars,
>>but I had already had he car towed from the barn I bought it at to the
>>transmission shop for the most expensive Cast Iron Torqueflite rebuild in
>>history at $2,500.00! ?I was outraged, as the same shop rebuilt my '63's
>>Aluminum TF for under $750, and all that was wrong with it was the reverse
>>had "Popped" one day, and I drove it that way for over a month. ?You learn
>>how to park so you can just pull forward quick, but there were a couple
>>times I had to push that car backward, and at 5'9 and 160 lb (ahh, the good
>>old days of youth) it was not easy. ?Most times someone helped. ?So when the
>>24K gold Cast Iron TF came in at $2.5K I flipped! ?I was like a Muppet - on
>>Speed - jumping, yelling, arguing, and finally getting old Dean himself to
>>discount the work to $2K, which I was still appalled at. ?Then the car was
>>towed to the interior shop for the top motor, hydraulics, new weather
>>stripping, as well as the retaining bars that hold the stripping to the top,
>>all from Gary Goers, and that took 3 months, and AAA was not excited about a
>>3rd tow to my mechanic for the electrical, and Electroluminescent work,
>>brakes, and every other item, the only one they never could get to work
>>properly was the dash mounted turn signal indicator. ?Got it to work, but
>>not without holding it in place, so you could not turn it on, let go, and
>>have it cancel after your turn was completed, and finally down to Bob's for
>>the exhaust, oh and the bumpers were re-chromed. ?That cost about as much as
>>a new Hyundai, but looked great. ?Car still had pimpled "Kim Novak
>>Technicolor Lipstick Red, sort of a pink/red, and a vinyl interior. ?After
>>all was said and done, with purchase price, I had over $20+K in that car,
>>and never trusted it to go further than my AAA Plus would cover a tow back
>>from, but drove it daily until after many setbacks, I traded it back for the
>>'66 I have now. ?By the way, for those even remotely interested, the '60 was
>>named Zsa, Zsa. ?All Glitz, temperamental, constant facelifts, err, work,
>>and would just completely Bitch slap you out of nowhere, like that cop Zsa,
>>Zsa did. ?If she had been more reliable, and I knew of the IML, I might have
>>kept her, but when she finally blew out the second carrier bearing, and I
>>went to Jeff for a convertible one, he quoted me $800 - $1,200 for one, IF
>>he could find one. ?He had the gorgeous '66 I now own in his driveway, and
>>since that is what I really remember from my youth, and it was Midnight
>>Blue, white interior, and top, and everything worked, I just fell for Doris,
>>and I got a few $K and Doris in the trade.
>>
>>Doris has been a much more polite car, real honest to goodness all American
>>sweetheart. ?Never seen a flatbed, and always fires right up...Hemi mufflers
>>sound so nice...bum, bum bum, or Potato, potato, whichever you prefer. ?A
>>real man magnet, but always the car, never even hear my name...well most
>>times. ?Hope springs eternal.
>>
>>Someday, I'll add a first series Toronado and add from there. ?Imperial is
>>still the finest.
>>
>>Bill Ulman
>>Seattle, WA
>>
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