Re: IML: 1960 Starter Drags when Engine is At Operating Temp.

[randalpark@xxxxxxx]

My feeble mind says that depending on where the engine is when it 
stops, if the ignition is firing, pushing the piston down, while the 
starter is trying to push it up the starter will drag. If too many 
pistons are doing this at the same time, the engine will be difficult 
to crank. It can happen when its cold too, but usually is more 
noticeable, and likely to occur when the engine is warmed up. Over the 
years I have been in this situation a number of times. Correcting the 
timing has reduced the load on the starter.

My father actually once talked a guy he worked with into rebuilding the 
engine in a car that was doing the same thing, after he replaced the 
starter. My father, who is a mechanical engineer, convinced the guy 
that he had a spun bearing, and that the engine was going to seize, 
even though the car ran fine once it started. The new engine didn't fix 
the problem. Further discussion led to the fact that the guy habitually 
advanced his timing, even on his new "long block" engine, a little bit 
past factory specification to get a little extra "UMPHF". When he 
backed it off, the problem went away.

As I have explained before, my knowledge is based on practical 
experience. I am not an engineer, chemist, or scientist. What I share 
has worked for me. I road time my cars, I do not use a light. When they 
are too far advanced, they spark knock, which is damaging to the 
engine. They can be difficult to turn over, particularly when warmed 
up. There are several different problems that can cause this same 
symptom. I am suggesting one idea that might correct it.

In your shoes, I would back off the timing and see if the problem went 
away, before replacing the starter, especially since you know that the 
timing is advanced..

Paul W.
-----Original Message-----
From: R.vdes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Sent: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: IML: 1960 Starter Drags when Engine is At Operating Temp.

Sorry Paul, but I don't understand...

How can the timing influence the rotation speed of a starter motor??
I must admit that my timing is too advanced hower, it's about 12.5 
degrees BTDC instead of the recommended 10 degrees. That is because the 
engine is running on propane instead of gasoline.
Since propane has a much higher octane rating then regular gasoline it 
is safe to advance the timing a little, and it gives the engine more 
power.

But I don't understand why this also influence the performance of the 
starter motor when the engine has been warmed up ?

Maybe you can shine a light on it for me :)

Thanks,

Robert
----- Original Message ----- From: <randalpark@xxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 12:36 PM
Subject: IML: 1960 Starter Drags when Engine is At Operating Temp.

That will also happen if the timing is too advanced. Try backing it off
a little and see if the problem goes away. Heat shouldn't effect the
starter that much.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: R.vdes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Sent: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 2:50 AM
Subject: Re: IML: Wire Wheels for my 60 imperial

OK James,

I understand, maybe the best thing I can do is to find me a reputable
rebuilder and send him my original starter.
You see, mine is having problems when it is getting hot. The starter
spins perfectly when the car is cold, but when the car is driven for a
while and the engine has warmed up it turns around very slow.
If you wait for an hour or so the starter will act normal again :)

Robert
----- Original Message -----
From: James L BURTON
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Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: IML: Wire Wheels for my 60 imperial

Hello, no I havent I think its not worth all of the opposition and the
hassle to go with the little outcome of the result. The msd ingnition
system has to be on its toes. To have the least effect against my
oringinal starter. The header issue isnt worth the gamble when Im just
going to use it for cruisins, and some kind of shows .My motor is
allthat and im not going risk nothing because everything shiney and new
will make you feel that way.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob van der Es
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Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 1:46 AM
Subject: Re: IML: Wire Wheels for my 60 imperial

Hi James,

Have you actually found another starter for your 60 already?
I am still looking around for the best option you see.

Thanks,

Robert
----- Original Message -----
From: James L BURTON
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Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:35 PM
Subject: IML: Wire Wheels for my 60 imperial

To everybody thank you for your support on helping me make a sound
decision on the hi output starter, and header for my . There both out
now Im looking for some wire wheels , Does anybody know if a ford wire
wheel will fit the imperial ? If not can somebody help me ?
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