I've been reading about people's fascination with the new 300.....but for my money..aren't people with this much money to spend better to spend the money on something with looks..and style..? like a '57 300-C?..or a '60 LeBaron?
I'm only 37 yrs. old , but can't believe the junk Detroit..(everybody in Detroit) has produced since the late 70's. I have a 1976 Cadillac..(wish I could afford a Chrysler product),,, Apparently Detroit can't find men with the brilliance and talent of Virgil Exner, Harley Earl..etc? Not trying to stir up anything..but the other day..I parked my '76 next to a 2004 Caddy......the owner of the new one drooled..and said he was sorry he ever put $ 45 G's into his sad excuse for a Cadillac.
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:24:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "B.A. Samoila" Subject: IML: '05 300 C...the new one Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx The new 300
C's just arrived last week or so in this area. Saw one and drove one (test Drive)...1st new car I've been excited about in 10 years...thinking about trading my wife's '97 Riviera in for her and this car seems to fit the bill (like to keep one late model car for her to use). Anyone else drive one...just curious to hear your opinions. Will probably wait 18 months or so 'til one comes back from a lease or factory official car...let them take the "new car price hit." Thanks for your input...BAS
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From: "Boehme, Mark" Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004
11:51:14 -0700 Subject: RE: IML: '05 300 C...the new one Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I have seen one at the dealer but it was still being prepped for sale. The dealer was adding a 10k mark up on the retail price...over 40k!!!. Car and Driver gave the car glowing reviews. The only concern is first year fit and finish issues. I think I would wait until the hoopla dies down a bit.
Mark Boehme 65 Crown 925-671-3160 mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> -----Original Message----- > From: B.A. Samoila [SMTP:fift8imperial@xxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 11:24 AM > To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: IML: '05 300 C...the new one > > The new 300 C's just arrived last week or so in this > area. Saw one and drove one (test Drive)...1st new car > I've been excited about in 10 years...thinking about > trading my wife's '97 Riviera in for her and this car > seems to
fit the bill (like to keep one late model car > for her to use). Anyone else drive one...just curious > to hear your opinions. Will probably wait 18 months > or so 'til one comes back from a lease or factory > official car...let them take the "new car price hit." > Thanks for your input...BAS > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > > > ----------------- http://www.imperialclub.com ----------------- > This message was sent to you by the Imperial Mailing List. Please > reply to mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and your response will be > shared with everyone. Private messages (and attachments) for the > Administrators should be sent to webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To UN-SUBSCRIBE, go to
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:50:42 -0400 From: RandalPark@xxxxxxx Subject: Re: IML: Ecologically correct/economically disasterous Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Well, once again, that opinion my float very well in this forum, but asking the same of our financial markets would quickly provide a great deal of solid evidence to the contrary.
The economy itself doesn't focus on anything. It is incapable of that. The economy comes from what we want and buy. The markets seek their own equilibrium based on supply and demand. If the econmy would be better served by producing public tranportation instead of private automobiles, then that is exactly what would happen.
I have always driven
HIGH QUALITY OLDER CARS myself, but by doing that I have gone against the grain of what is best for our domestic automotive industry. Like you, I don't find newer cars particularly appealing. I didn't even in 1975 or 1980. In those days I was driving old Imperials.
Regardless, our economy has been very dependent on the automotive industry to succeed. Whether we like it or not, that is a fact. Maybe it will change, but so far, there has been no indication that it will happen soon.
The reason cars don't last 40 years is that the automotive industry doesn't want them to. In the old days, they built a car that would last a really long time, but styles and engineering changed so rapidly that no one would keep anything very old. Plus, it had no value. They also discovered that in this country, people don't really take care of their equipment, so there is no point in it being built to last very long anyway. Have you ever heard of "the throw away society"?
That is where
us Imperial collectors are different than the rest of our brothers ans sisters. We keep our old iron going and reap some personal rewards in doing that.
Paul
In a message dated 4/29/2004 11:04:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dardal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
>Paul, that's debateable too. ?Perhaps the economy would have focused on other >things (like public transportation projects for example) that would have kept >the money flowing, yet it would be producing something more socially useful >than low quality status symbols that wear out after 5-10 years use. ?As for >example the cold war wore out, the reduction in defence contracts in the 90's >did not collapse the economy as new (and more useful) acivities replaced the >old ones. > >Most people in our times have never driven an old car. ?I have been driving high >quality 60's cars ever since I started driving. ?I have a serious moral >objection to the cars
made today, and that's one of the reasons I do not want >to be an engineer for the automotive industry. ?If they could build infinite >life cars 40 years ago (granted, only the "quality" cars like the imperials >qualify for that), why can't they now? ?I think the answer to this is double: >1. ?The manufacturers on purpose build disposeable cars because they are >cheaper to build and it ensures their future business. ? >2. ?The average consumer only cares for short term advantages. ?They would >rather have an extra 2 mpg and half a second better 0-60 mph times instead of >having thick body panels and real bumpers and sub frames. ?They plan to sell >that car 3 years down the road anyway, so the long term benefits of real >quality are irrelevant to them. ?Quality now is defined as number of cup >holders or how your SUV can turn into a p/u. > >D^2 > >Quoting
RandalPark@xxxxxxx: > >> And our economy would have collapsed 50 years ago... >> >> Paul >> >> In a message dated 4/29/2004 7:35:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >> hugtrees@xxxxxxxx writes: >> >> > >> > >> > If one is just a tad on the "green" side, such as myself, an Imperial >> owner >> > has a right to feel just a tad superior to owners of modern cars. ?While >> > many cars have being recycled designed into them, the >> > Imperial is ?designed to be re-used, which is self evidently better. >> Gosh, >> > if only everyone could have the same car for forty years, the world would >> be >> > a much greener place. >> > >> > Hugh >> > Tongue firmly in cheek >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>
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Subject: IML: Convoy from NorCal to Thousand Oaks? From: David.Whitney@xxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:14:38 -0700 Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 006E298888256E85_= Content-Type:
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I'm taking my '91 daily driver to Thousand Oaks this weekend, and I'm looking for others who are driving so we can convoy. I also have seats available if anyone wants to carpool. I can leave San Jose Friday afternoon and must be back up here by the middle of Sunday morning. You can contact me off the list at davidcwhitney@xxxxxxxxxxxx or call me at 650 838-3736.
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I'm taking my '91 daily driver to Thousand Oaks this weekend, and I'm looking for others who are driving so we can convoy. I also have seats available if anyone wants to carpool. I can leave San Jose Friday afternoon and must be back up here by the middle of Sunday morning. You can contact me off the list at davidcwhitney@xxxxxxxxxxxx or call me at 650
838-3736.
From: "david munson" Subject: RE: IML: Headliner for my '66 Coupe Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:40:55 +0100 Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I put one in my 66 crown coupe SMS fabrics made it up for me it was excellent and not expensive, caremust be taken fitting it around courtesy light switch and start from the rear window end ,my car is absolutely perfect, headliner made up cost around $120
David Munson
>From: Chris Lynch >Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >To:
>Subject: IML: Headliner for my '66 Coupe >Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:15:47 -0400 > >Yeah! I'm finally ready to put a new headliner in (windows now working), so >I'm soliciting opinions. My 1966 Imperial Crown Coupe needs a new gold >headliner and instead of sifting through 20 vendors and their pricing, I >would like to hear from folks that have had good experiences and bad, as it >relates to price, fit and warranty. Plus any self-installation warnings >would be great too! Many thanks. BTW, I've noticed an uptick in technical >postings in the last couple of months and the wealth of info is much >appreciated! Guess I'm just an info-porn addict. > > >----------------- http://www.imperialclub.com ----------------- >This message was sent to you by the Imperial Mailing List. Please >reply to mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and your response will be >shared
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From: "jsadowski" Subject: Re: IML: '05 300 C...the new one Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:19:14 -0700 Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Hemmings compared it
to the 300F & thought both cars were good in their = respective eras. They thought the 300C was a bargain at $32K. John ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mad4cars@xxxxxxx=20 To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=20 Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 4:00 PM Subject: Re: IML: '05 300 C...the new one
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:45:50 -0400 From: RandalPark@xxxxxxx Subject: Re: IML: Headliner for my '66 Coupe Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I replaced the headliner myself in my 1960 Sedan, and also in three other non-Imperials that I have. Just take your time and it will come out fine.
Paul
In a message dated 4/29/2004 6:40:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, davidmunson30@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> > > I put one in my 66 crown coupe SMS fabrics made it up for me it was > excellent and not expensive, caremust be taken fitting it around courtesy > light switch and start from the rear window end ,my car is absolutely
> perfect, headliner made up cost around $120 > > David Munson > > > >From: Chris Lynch > >Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >To: > >Subject: IML: Headliner for my '66 Coupe > >Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:15:47 -0400 > > > >Yeah! I'm finally ready to put a new headliner in (windows now working), so > >I'm soliciting opinions. My 1966 Imperial Crown Coupe needs a new gold > >headliner and instead of sifting through 20 vendors and their pricing, I > >would like to hear from folks that have had good experiences and bad, as it > >relates to price, fit and warranty. Plus any self-installation warnings > >would be great too! Many thanks. BTW, I've noticed an uptick in technical > >postings in the last couple of months and the wealth of info is much > >appreciated! Guess I'm
just an info-porn addict. > > > > > >----------------- http://www.imperialclub.com ----------------- > >This message was sent to you by the Imperial Mailing List. Please > >reply to mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and your response will be > >shared with everyone. Private messages (and attachments) for the > >Administrators should be sent to webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >To UN-SUBSCRIBE, go to http://imperialclub.com/unsubscribe.htm > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > > > ----------------- http://www.imperialclub.com ----------------- > This message was sent to you by the Imperial Mailing List. Please > reply to mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and your response will be > shared with everyone. Private
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:49:41 -0400 From: RandalPark@xxxxxxx Subject: Fwd: IML: More brake conversions/ Looking WAY ahead Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Well, I am glad to see that you said that you "look WAY ahead and try to anticipate a possible hard stop".
I hate to say this but the majority of drivers on the road today don't even know what that means. How can they when they are all wrapped up in a conversation over their cell phone? Even though their modern cars have great brakes, by not "looking ahead", they are losing as much as they have gained.
