> Ray -
>
> I'm not a chemist and I don't play one on TV, but let me give this one a
> shot.
>
> steel+Moisture+oxygen+acid rain+oxygen+road salt+more moisture+more
oxygen=a
> rusted thru floor, fender, whatever.
>
> But, if the car is kept in a dry clime with low humidity, I don't see why
it
> can't stay in relatively the same state for many years to come. Look at
some
> of the cars coming out of AZ, CA desert, even MT or ID. In the first two,
> paint has burned off the cars from the intense sun, yet they just retain a
> layer of surface rust at most. In MT or ID, it snows and rains. But the
> humidity is so low that the moisture evaporates quickly, resulting in
> relatively rust free bodies.
>
> Just my 2¢.
>
> Ron
>
>
> > Ya got me confused. If rust forms a surface barrier and stops, how do
> > floors, fenders and doors rust away. All we should have to fix on our
> > old cars is a little surface rust.
> > Rust is not a living organism, it is a fire. A very slow one, but a
> > fire none the less. And left alone, it will continue to burn. The
> > chemical reaction is Oxidation, which is what the fire in your
> > fireplace is, just slower. As long as the oxygen and metal are there,
> > it continues. And gets worse. There are steels that have treatments or
> > alloys in them that are supposed to rust and form a skin (modern
> > bridges), scratch it and it re-skins. But cars ain't thataway.
> >
> > And yes, it is encapsulated, inside all the panels, water has laid for
> > years. Now, out in the fresh air, with oxygen present, the rust will
> > continue. Look at the Titanic. Very little Oxygen down there if any,
> > but she has very few years left before she will be little more than a
> > stain on the bottom. They say she will be gone in our lifetime.
> > Ray
> >
> > On Jul 27, 2007, at 9:44 PM, Ron Waters wrote:
> >
> > Neil is 100% correct. I was hoping someone would post this, as there
> > are way
> > too many misconceptions floating around out there about the car,
> > including
> > the idea that somehow the Miss B. will turn to powder unless something
> > is
> > done immediately. No basis in fact.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> >
> > > Take whatever position, and argue-support your convictions, all you
> > > want, but PLEASE don't argue that the car "will continue" to rust,
> > > if its not some-how "de-rusted" (by Ultra One, or anyone else).
> > >
> > > Rust is NOT a living organism, such as is a tumorous malignancy.
> > >
> > > Rust is a chemical reaction, involving ferrous metal, and oxygen, and
> > > some extent of humidity and maybe some alkaline agent.
> > >
> > > Surface rust actually forms its own protective barrier, against
further
> > > corrosion.
> > >
> > > Given that the car is virtually encapsulated by
> > > cosmoline and corrosion, and I don't know what-else, I can not imagine
> > > how it would deteriorate (fall-apart, though: YEAH!)
> > > any further, unless it would be dipped in the ocean.
> > >
> > > IRONICALLY, Ultra-One plans to strip the car to BARE METAL!
> > >
> > > So: sure, go argue that the highest public-good
> > > is served by removing all the patina and
> > > corrosion from the car , so that we can see what a de-rusted car looks
> > > like [ gee; I've never seen one of them, before! ] , but, please,
> > > don't
> > > argue that "they are SAVING" the car from continuing to rust-away !
> > >
> > >
> > > Neil Vedder
> > >
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