Re: [FWDLK] Hissy Fitting (to be continued)

[David Homstad <dhomstad@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

The Mopar power brake boosters, when mounted above the master cylinder, do
not inhibit the pedal pressure to the master cylinder. So if the engine
dies, or the power booster fails, the brakes are no worse than non-power
brakes. You just need twice the pedal pressure to get an equal braking rate.
No excuse for hitting police cars.

Modern power brakes are much different. If they fail, they require the pedal
pressure to flow through the booster to reach the master cylinder. The
booster has a big spring which you must also compress to get braking action,
so most people don't have enough strength in one leg to get much braking,
unless your name is Arnold and you are the governor of California. Mopar had
a better idea 50 years ago.

Dave Homstad
56 Dodge D500/ PB

-----Original Message-----
From: Forward Look Mopar Discussion List
[mailto:L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Eastern Sierra
Adjustment Svc
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 6:20 PM
To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Hissy Fitting (to be continued)


Funny we should be discussing Karp's (east coast) right now; over on the
FWDLK website, John
Fowlie just happened to write that his Karp's-worked bellows-type
booster just catastrophically
failed, and that he almost rear-ended a police car!

Karp's expressed surprise, upon hearing the news.

Neil Vedder




Doug Mayer wrote:
> I had Karps rebuild a B brake system for me.  They did excellent work,
> kept me informed of what was needed, and they were timely.
>
>
> Doug Mayer
> 300L
> Northport, ME
> On Jul 22, 2008, at 4:33 PM, Eastern Sierra Adjustment Svc wrote:
>
>> Karp's was the outfit recommended by Adam Lindenbaum.
>>
>> Another nice guy to talk to, there.
>>
>> Their quoted price, for their O/H work: $250.00 + $15.00
>> shipping/insurance.
>>
>> They also said that they would call me, after they receive and
>> take-apart my booster, to advise me
>> on what they find to be needed to be done, and how much any
>> additional costs(!) might be involved.
>>
>> Karp's states that they actually make the O/H kits, for 'all' the
>> other shops, and that there is at least
>> one "very-special" part, the front-seal, which 'nobody' has (whatever
>> that means).
>>
>> Karp's is not, presently selling any front seals to the other-guys,
>> and Karp's has about 20 front seals
>> still in stock.
>>
>> At first, Karp's said that they had a "3-week" work backlog, but,
>> later in the conversation, said that there
>> would be only a 5-6 day turn-around. Their internet site is @
>> resleeve.com
>>
>> I think that I'm in the wrong business.
>>
>>
>> Neil Vedder
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Glenn Barratt wrote:
>>> Neil.
>>> This from Karps, relating to a bellows type system.
>>> Glenn.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> *From:* Jeri Karp [mailto:jerikarp@xxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 19, 2008 7:57 PM
>>> *To:* karpspb@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:karpspb@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> *Subject:* RE: Information About Resleeve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The cost to rebuild is $300.00 (US ) plus shipping and handling.  We
>>> replace all the rubber seals, valves, polish the shafts to standard
>>> specs and install new rubber bellows on the outside.  If the forks
>>> are damaged it's an additional $70.00 (US) so be sure to pack it
>>> carefully and insure it.  You can send it by UPS, TNT or use FEDEX.
>>> I would recommend the postal service as the price is less and there
>>> aren't any duties.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ron Karp
>>>
>>> rk@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:rk@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > From: karpspb@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:karpspb@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > To: JERIKARP@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:JERIKARP@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > Subject: FW: Information About Resleeve
>>> > Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:44:17 -0700
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: Glenn Barratt [mailto:FURY@xxxxxxxxxx]
>>> <mailto:%5Bmailto:FURY@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:FURY@xxxxxxxxxx>%5D>
>>> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 2:27 PM
>>> > To: karpspb@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:karpspb@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > Subject: RE: Information About Resleeve
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > What do you charge for a complete rebuild and what exactly is done?
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Glenn.
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: karpspb@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:karpspb@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> [mailto:karpspb@xxxxxxxxxxxx] <mailto:%5Bmailto:karpspb@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> <mailto:karpspb@xxxxxxxxxxxx>%5D>
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 1:48 AM
>>> > To: FURY@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:FURY@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > Subject: RE: Information About Resleeve
>>> >
>>> > Dear Sir
>>> >
>>> > It looks like the power brake is leaking from hard seals or the
>>> bellows
>>> > has cracks in it. The unit will need to be rebuilt.
>>> >
>>> > Regards Karps Power Brake 909.985.0800
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: ipw.resleeve [mailto:ipw.resleeve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> <mailto:%5Bmailto:ipw.resleeve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> <mailto:ipw.resleeve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>%5D>
>>> > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 11:20 PM
>>> > To: karpspb@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:karpspb@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > Subject: Information About Resleeve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Eastern Sierra Adjustment Svc <esierraadj@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> <mailto:esierraadj@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>> To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 22 July, 2008 9:00:57 AM
>>> Subject: [FWDLK] Hissy Fitting (to be continued)
>>>
>>> Dave Homstad has recommended that I contact White Post Restorations, and
>>> so I did, today.
>>>
>>> Spoke with a nice man, there, who told me that WPR  only overhauls the
>>> booster(s) ; no repair-parts
>>> sold independently, and that there is only  a 24-hr turn-around, on
>>> their work, and that they would powder-coat my booster
>>> (a nice touch), and that the booster-guy would be guaranteed
>>> better-than-new, .....all for the low-low price of
>>> only $490.00 !!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>> If I had had a rubber-bellows type system, WPR would charge $695.00 for
>>> an overhaul.
>>>
>>> So, I guess that I'll keep on looking for a supplier of the overhaul
>>> kit.
>>>
>>> Can any of you confuser-geniuses do an Epay scan for me, for a brake
>>> booster overhaul kit?
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, I'll  call Kanter and Bernbaum.
>>>
>>> Neil Vedder
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John Teske wrote:
>>> > Neil:
>>> >
>>> >      I replaced the diaphram on the bellows power brake booster for my
>>> > 56 Fury.  I found a NOS kit, and I believe it took me all of about two
>>> > hours to do it.
>>> >
>>> >      John Teske
>>> >
>>> >
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