Canman's black ragtop was a stick like this. Not out of the question for one to be built this way.
The jones with this blue car is the money these cars now bring and the boobs that money attracts. We have a clash of culture between us car lovers who just like the cars, and those who have more money than sense and impulsively buy such cars without being dedicated enthusiasts. First of all, it prices many car lovers right out of their own passion, and as a secondary effect, brings in the sharks and charlatans who feed off each other and make these cars more about money and high falootin' status than truly loving the car as a car. Had I not bought my DeSoto back when few cared, I could never afford one today, as they have all become museum pieces and status symbols for the jet-set crew to keep with all their other 50''s convertibles in their air conditioned warehouses, out of sight and never driven. A sad end for great driving cars that I would love to see all over the road again.
B.
From: "Mark H" <pizoboom@xxxxxxxxx> To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 6:52:24 AM Subject: Re: [FWDLK] 58 belv 'vert On the other hand, I've never seen (much less heard of) a convertible with a manual tranny. But I didn't see the overdrive lever - did I just miss it?
My other perspective is the black '58 Belv convert that my friend Mel Hollensteiner's widow has been trying to pawn off for the last year since he died is 1\10th of the car this one is - in pictures at least - and she wants $40 K for it. Mel had some shade tree mechanics work on it the last couple years he was alive and wasn't concerned with originality at all, only functionality, and the car has suffered for it.
I happen to like this car, even if it's less than perfect.
Mark J. Hash mjh
--- On Thu, 7/14/11, Ron Waters <ronbo97@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Ron Waters <ronbo97@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] 58 belv 'vert
To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thursday, July 14, 2011, 6:15 AM
If a seller is going to claim that the car is a one-of-one (and therefore imply that it is rare and subsequently more valuable), then he should have proof to back it up. A build sheet from Chrysler Historical would put this issue to rest. Or maybe he doesn't want to know.
What will happen is that someone without much knowledge will fall in love with the car and its color (easy to do in this case) and pay whatever the dealer is asking, only to be disappointed when it arrives. Or maybe the buyer is willing to accept the fact that the car isn't perfect and after shelling out 50K, are now willing to sink another 50K into getting it restored correctly.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:21 AM
Subject: [FWDLK] 58 belv 'vert
i usually don't tear other people's cars apart, but this is a dealer, with typical salespitch....
they say it was such a meticulous restoration, and a factroy dual V-800 car... if they said a car that presents nicely while driving, but with beginner-quality attention to detail and body work, then they'd be honest, sorta....
detail: first off, underhood is weak, who doesnt take the time to mask, its horrible to see the master braking plate, its bolts, putty and all components around it painted over, look at the rocker panels.... looks like the improperly-shape JC Whitney rocker caps put on, most likely with rivets- look at the trunk pics, only someone who had fwdlk cars would pick this up: when they made the new trunk floors and rear cross member and its covering... they forgot to reinstall the rearmost body mounts, although, maybe they're hidden under the patchwork.... the seats are nice, maybe NOS, but put on poorly or poorly padded, and have sweat or other stains, the door panels suck with screws showing and all warped
factory V800? where's the 150 speedo to match that claim, also the fact its probably a plain old 318 with a dual quad intake can be backed up with the lack of all the "important" items, like coil bracket [and placement], return spring brackets, the carb linkage is home- made, colors are way off, i'm sure if there was a close-up you find LP8 on the block and no dual points either....
shame because it could be a beautiful car... but the way it works, some clown that doesnt know any better is going to get ripped by a dealer, then go to a show and say their car is better than say- the real thing!
neil, you next up! i actually penciled 37 things wrong/flaws on this one!
anyone have a solid 'vert they want to part with? drivetrain not important.
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