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There are 9 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Fuel injection
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
2. F.I. Cars
From: pennsy300@xxxxxxx
3. Re: Fuel injection
From: Bruce Paul <b_paul_ncp@xxxxxxxxx>
4. Re: F.I. Cars
From: Philippe Courant <accf-club@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
5. Re: Fuel injection
From: sherwoodk@xxxxxxx
6. Re: Fuel injection
From: Andy Mikonis <r41hp@xxxxxxxxx>
7. 1955 300B
From: Phil Greenfeld <pgreen413@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
8. Re: Fuel injection
From: jlsavard@xxxxxxx
9. FI Tech paper
From: "BobMerritt" <rcmerritt@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 22:02:45 +1300
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fuel injection
Hi all,
I'm curious about the fuel injected cars too.
I have figures from a recent mag article, stating that 35 Chrysler
products
were fitted with fuel injection in '58 and all but one were recalled to
the
factory to be fitted with carbs. Are these figures correct? If they are,
does the only car to retain its factory Bendix injection still exist
today.
How many of these 35 injected cars were 300's? Adventurer's?Dodge's? I
recall a '58 Dodge being found recently with supposedly original
injection?Anyone know what happened with this car?
Thanks for any answers!
Owen
----- Original Message -----
From: Johan <JOHAN.300@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 9:26 AM
Subject: [Chrysler300] Fuel injection pic's
> Hello guys.
>
> Is there anybody out there who have pic's of a
> 58 fuel injected 300 or another fuel injected
> mopar engine from 58 and could mail it to me.
>
> Thank you in advance..... Johan ( 300-G Conv. )
>
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 09:35:12 EST
From: pennsy300@xxxxxxx
Subject: F.I. Cars
As I recall, there was also one Rambler (Rebel?) fitted with the Bendix
fuel
injection. Does anybody know what happened to that car? McTaggart
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 06:45:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Bruce Paul <b_paul_ncp@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fuel injection
Hi Folks,
The recent conversations about fuel injection reminded
me that I read an article in the February 2003 of IEEE
Spectrum magazine that discusses the early marriage
(and failures) of electronics and automobiles. The
article includes a black and white photo of a 300D
hardtop. The article starts with mentioning that
today's cars have an average of 50 microprocessors and
that the jump to 42-volt electrical systems is about
to happen. Part of the article mentions the
development of first practical self-starter introduced
in 1912 and the installation of the first
factory-installed car radios in 1923. Then the subject
turns to the Bendix Electrojector system offered on
the 1958 Chrysler products.
According to the article, the Bendix Electrojector was
the world's first electronic fuel-injection system. It
was implemented entirely with vacuum tubes and was
offered as a $400 option on various Chrysler products.
Using only vacuum tubes and other discrete, analog
electronic devices, Bendix had three engineers design
and build a complex, compact system of circuits that
monitored air temperature, the pressure in the
engine's air-intake manifold, throttle position and
acceleration, and status of the engine-combustion
cycle. The circuitry translated these measurements
into specific air-fuel mixtures and cylinder-injection
sequences.
Unfortunately, the amazing devices that made up the
system weren't reliable. Vacuum tubes may have worked
well in car radios, but they could not survive the
harsher environment of the engine compartment. Several
hundred Electrojectors were sold, but almost all were
recalled and the engines fitted with ordinary
carburetors. Supposedly one 300D has survived with the
Electrojector system in tact and working.
While not a very successful development at that time,
the Electrojector did help to get the industry moving
toward where fuel injection is today. Robert Bosch
GmbH licensed several of the Bendix patents for use
during their mid-60's development of a solid-state
electronic fuel injection system.
I hope that this article sheds a little more light on
Chrysler's attempts to be innovative and what went
wrong.
Bruce Paul-Cherry Hill, NJ
--- Owen & Jo Grigg <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I'm curious about the fuel injected cars too.
> I have figures from a recent mag article, stating
> that 35 Chrysler products
> were fitted with fuel injection in '58 and all but
> one were recalled to the
> factory to be fitted with carbs. Are these figures
> correct? If they are,
> does the only car to retain its factory Bendix
> injection still exist today.
> How many of these 35 injected cars were 300's?
> Adventurer's?Dodge's? I
> recall a '58 Dodge being found recently with
> supposedly original
> injection?Anyone know what happened with this car?
>
> Thanks for any answers!
> Owen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Johan <JOHAN.300@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 9:26 AM
> Subject: [Chrysler300] Fuel injection pic's
>
>
> > Hello guys.
> >
> > Is there anybody out there who have pic's of a
> > 58 fuel injected 300 or another fuel injected
> > mopar engine from 58 and could mail it to me.
> >
> > Thank you in advance..... Johan ( 300-G
> Conv. )
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> >
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:48:59 +0100
From: Philippe Courant <accf-club@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: F.I. Cars
You're right: it was the '57 Nash Rambler Rebel: Nash planed the
electrojector option but the "Bendix" injection Rebel never went to
production...
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:45:41 EST
From: sherwoodk@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Fuel injection
Bruce and list:
First, I'd like a copy of the magazine article you refer to in your
commentary.
Second, there are no vacuum tubes in the Bendix Electrojector that I am
aware
of.
The difficulty encountered in tuning the cars was that the transisters
were
not silica based and therefore sensitive to changes in ambient temperature
and quickly went out of tune as a reaction to the temp input.
I saw my first injected 300D (which turned out to be an engineering 300C
Turquoise convertible in September 1957 at the San Fernando Drag Strip.
Norm
Thatcher had just driven it from the Proving Grounds in Michigan. To this
day, I can remember every detail and every comment Norm made about the car
and his trip.
Sherwood Kahlenberg
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 09:00:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Andy Mikonis <r41hp@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fuel injection
Bruce, do you know if this article is or will be
available online? I'd like to see it, too.
Does anyone know if there really was a 300D or a Dodge
which were not retrofitted with carbs? I had a friend
tell me he saw an unrestored Dodge with F.I. in the
'80s. I figured he was crazy (he proabably is.)
Andy
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 09:33:51 -0800
From: Phil Greenfeld <pgreen413@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 1955 300B
To all who may be concerned:
I was just in Ceasrers Palace yesterday here in Las Vegas and I went
into the
FAO Schwartz toy store and saw a 1:24 die cast model of a 1955 300B Red.
with large white walls. The price wasn't so good. Like $35.00 but I
asked about a
local price and it was $24.99. A little better. Just wanted to pass this
along
to the group.
Phil
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:27:18 EST
From: jlsavard@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Fuel injection
In a message dated 02/20/2003 8:47:57 AM Central Standard Time,
b_paul_ncp@xxxxxxxxx writes:
<< Unfortunately, the amazing devices that made up the
system weren't reliable. Vacuum tubes may have worked
well in car radios, but they could not survive the
harsher environment of the engine compartment. >>
Electrojectors were transistorized, with the "Black Box" mounted out in
front
of the radiator.
Joe Savard
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:16:38 -0500
From: "BobMerritt" <rcmerritt@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: FI Tech paper
For those interested with the technical aspects of the 58 Fuel Injection
system, there is an SAE paper written by the development engineers. I
haven't seen it in years so I don't recall the date (probably 1957 but may
be 1958), and I don't recall if I still have my copy. I imagine any
technical college library will have it. I found it at the Cornell
engineering library in 1974, and I recall the Detroit Public Library had
access to just about anything SAE or automotive. It might even be
available
direct from the SAE.
Bob Merritt
Today, not cold or snowing, so I get to chop ice before the roof leaks.
Ain't life a treat?
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